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#924444 - 03/08/15 09:47 AM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: Salmo g.]
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Registered: 01/28/05
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Loc: Sacramento, CA
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.

Regarding the effects of the regulation on fly fishing, I wouldn't worry about it. Fly fishermen fishing with a sinking or sink tip fly line usually use a leader between 3 and 4' anyway, so that's no big deal. Sure, there are exceptions to using leaders longer than 4' on sinking lines, but see the part about this being no big deal. If a fly fisherman wants to participate in this fishery, then they can suffer the "hardship" of a 48" leader. When fly fishing with a floating line, leaders of 9' or longer are the norm. .


Why do fly fishermen get an automatic free pass? A sink tip fly line can be an effective flossing tool.
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#924446 - 03/08/15 10:26 AM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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Yes, a sink tip fly line could be used to floss fish. If it's observed to be a problem, then prohibit fly fishing with sink tip fly lines during the time and places where the snag fests occur. I've only been fly fishing for 40-some years, and if I wanted to floss a fish that way I'm certain I could have done so by now. Yet it's never happened. Either I'm not very good, or I really don't want to catch any fish that way.

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#924451 - 03/08/15 11:27 AM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: Salmo g.]
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I'm sure we could go on and on about the various ways fish can be snagged. Are we just going to keep restricting certain methods until we are all forced to plunk? As said above, enforcement is the solution, not more regs.
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#924452 - 03/08/15 12:02 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: Nor Cal Drifter]
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It's only taken me 21 years living in WA for it to finally cement into my brain, but i've finally figured out that for the overwhelming majority, when it comes to local stocks of salmon, it is ABSOLUTELY all about the meat in the box


Now that is the absolute truth when talking salmon. Recs go around and around on what is the sportsman thing to do but the basic truth is in the world of allocation if we do not take them commercials will. So lets us try the GH standard for commercials. 15% observers on the fleet when fishing and 90% compliance is accepted. Considering the commercial harvesting power the unauthorized impact (illegal) is wayyyyyy past the Rec side even if folks floss and the occasional bandit Rec snagging. ( occasional being defined as the % of Recs who do that )

The vast majority of Recs fish salmon to catch and EAT THEM. Commercials fish to catch and SELL them. That is the real world.


Edited by Rivrguy (03/08/15 12:33 PM)
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#924469 - 03/08/15 03:15 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.


If it were only the meat, the Puyallup, Nisqually, and Skokomish are the last places I would go to fish for salmon. On a meat only basis, that just doesn't make sense, but then neither does engaging in sport fishing using unsporting techniques.

Sg


My experience with Skok salmon is if they are really fresh they are high grade table fare, but it is such a circus to try and get one it isn't worth it.
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#924482 - 03/08/15 08:51 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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Registered: 09/27/08
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OMG!!! Did they actually admit that the "Anti-snagging" rule did not work against "Snagging"

The Gov will always write many laws that the the law abiding must follow but the criminals (snaggers & poachers) will not.

How much is enough? It's just like gun control, restrict the people who abide by the laws and do little to nothing about the real problem. Same difference.
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#924492 - 03/09/15 08:04 AM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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The WDFW clowns try to appear like they are doing something other than sitting in the break room all day long looking at the DNR ladies breasts.

Their ideas are conceived in the arm pit of the concrete jungle they inhabit.
Many of them have degrees and very little field experience.

Then there is the aggressive ones who accomplish amazing things daily like putting on their tennis shoes and walking around Capital Lake.

Enforcement??
Are you referring to our tax payer funded actors?
Burning up the highways in their new F-150s?
What good is this doing?

As far as I'm concerned they could completely shut down the enforcement division and pay a litter crew instead. At least then we would get something for our money.

Should be a great day to walk around the lake.






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#924549 - 03/09/15 03:20 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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48" to the first hook?
Is it leader from that hook to the one 36" behind that?
How about the double presentation set up?
LMAO what a bunch of dreamers justifying their existence.

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#924551 - 03/09/15 03:25 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2688
Loc: Yelmish
Originally Posted By: Fish Prince
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
I think FP may have hit the mark again. Require a special permit (to be visibly worn by anglers) to fish the subject rivers during prime snag fest season. As little as $5 or $10 a day would probably keep most of the people who are just there to snag and floss fish away. That's my guess anyway. Easy to enforce: you either have the permit or you don't, unlike trying to prove in a court of law that the suspect was snagging salmon.ther does engaging in sport fishing using unsporting techniques.


This is my guess too. High enough to keep most of the riff raff out but low enough to be affordable by any legitimate angler. Wearing it like the old clam license is a good idea too, as they can enforce the daily permit at a glance.
i think the fact that guys will readily pay the $10 or $15 or whatever to fish the flosser corner up above the trestle on the nisqually shoots that full of holes.(the only thing more odd to me is how that fee gets enforced when you can walk up there and stay below the ordinary low water mark)

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#924560 - 03/09/15 03:41 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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Enforcement is easy.
Write a bunch of tickets that don't make sense.
Some will pay them, some will tie up the legal system, and some won't pay a dime.

Perhaps they should be checking to see how many of them have done their job search for the week?

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#924561 - 03/09/15 03:48 PM Re: 48" leader restriction [Re: l3r]
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I don't like the daily fee idea because I like to fish every day before work and usually only get about an hour in. If I had to pay per day this would get quite costly to people like me. Going back a few post. I give the snaggers all sort of crap and call fish and game on em all the time. When I'm around the snaggers, that are there every day just like me and know that I'm serious about it, put back almost every fish they play out. I also catch way to many fish by the 8 foot leader dangling off the fish that busted off because they can't tie knots.

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