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#925452 - 03/20/15 10:42 AM The most transparent administration in history?
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#925463 - 03/20/15 12:31 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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The Brown Clown needs to step down. He's an embarrassment to this country. Nearly every World Leader is laughing at him....thank you dumb dems for electing this Clown twice.
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#925465 - 03/20/15 12:34 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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"Change you can believe in."

It still makes me laugh.

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#925467 - 03/20/15 12:38 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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"If you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor"
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#925509 - 03/20/15 09:06 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Sol Duc]
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If you Fox News sperm burpers don't like our current President, then get used to being disappointed.

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#925518 - 03/21/15 09:02 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Illahee]
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Friday, March 20, 2015

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove (see trends).

The latest figures include 24% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 41% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17.
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#925528 - 03/21/15 11:16 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Only the GOP Congress has shittier numbers than that.

As voters, we suck ass.
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#925531 - 03/21/15 12:05 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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The reasons that Congress almost always polls lower than the President are many and varied.

This short article offers some reasons.



Edited by blackmouth (03/21/15 05:27 PM)
Edit Reason: typo
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#925533 - 03/21/15 12:35 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
Not to mention blackmouth's hero who had a whopping 23% approval rating near the end of his disastrous terms.

I have no hero. However I assume you were referencing George W. Bush, and after President Obama's first 6 years I find your use of the word disastrous to describe Bush's tenure as ridiculous.

Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
You should also consider that Obama's numbers would always be at least 10% lower than if had been white

Bullpucky, he was elected President of The United States, twice, and you're (liberals) constant crying of racism is a pathetic attempt to divert attention from any criticism of President Obama. It is what I have come to expect from you.
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#925534 - 03/21/15 12:40 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Then reasons that Congress almost always polls lower than the President are many and varied.

This short article offers some reasons.



Always the apologist for GOP incompetence, aren't you? Were you apologizing for Congress' low ratings when the Dems were in control? No - of course you weren't.

Pull your fuckin' head out, fool. You're washing the balls of half the people that are bending you over the barrel and sticking it in your ass.
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#925535 - 03/21/15 12:52 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Then reasons that Congress almost always polls lower than the President are many and varied.

This short article offers some reasons.



You can speculate all day, but in the end the reason for most politicians low approval ratings is simple, corporations are people and money is free speech.

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#925547 - 03/21/15 04:01 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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I was not apologizing for anything or anyone, I was simply showing that Congress almost always polls worse than the President regardless of which party controls the White House and which party controls the Congress. It is a fact supported by statistics, some of which are provided in the article that I had linked to in my post.

Of coarse you are free to read the article or not, and you are free to draw your own conclusions or not. You are even free to ignore facts which might undermine your dogma and free to continue on your path of trying to insult and or offend others who challenge your beliefs. However you might consider that your continual barrage of insults are not a clear sign of reasoned thought.
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#925548 - 03/21/15 04:19 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Illahee]
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Originally Posted By: Illahee
Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Then reasons that Congress almost always polls lower than the President are many and varied.

This short article offers some reasons.



You can speculate all day, but in the end the reason for most politicians low approval ratings is simple, corporations are people and money is free speech.


I must disagree with your conclusion on two counts, 1. I agree with the CITIZENS UNITED decision and 2. My disapproval of politicians stems from the fact that too many of them are self serving and dishonest, also their appetites for public funds appears to limitless.
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#925549 - 03/21/15 04:24 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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I would guess that race washes in the end. There are plenty of minorities that would never dislike a black president, probably more than white folks who hate him for being black. Look at the precentages of Blacks that voted for him and try to state that race was not a factor in how they feel about him. And I will readily agree that there are whites that take the opposite position. Both positions are sickening in my opinion. But if he has that high of a rating, he appears to be beating most past presidents.

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#925555 - 03/21/15 08:51 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
I was not apologizing for anything or anyone, I was simply showing that Congress almost always polls worse than the President regardless of which party controls the White House and which party controls the Congress. It is a fact supported by statistics, some of which are provided in the article that I had linked to in my post.

Of coarse you are free to read the article or not, and you are free to draw your own conclusions or not. You are even free to ignore facts which might undermine your dogma and free to continue on your path of trying to insult and or offend others who challenge your beliefs. However you might consider that your continual barrage of insults are not a clear sign of reasoned thought.
zip


MY dogma?

lol

Go kill yourself.

You haven't presented a reasoned thought here that I've ever seen, you dumb sonofabitch. You pretend to present reasoned thought, but you aren't fooling anyone who isn't a political hack and party ballwasher.

If you don't want to bne insulted, don't go around saying stupid sh!t. Somehow, I think that's beyond your ability.
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#925566 - 03/22/15 08:27 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.

MY dogma?

lol

Go kill yourself.

You haven't presented a reasoned thought here that I've ever seen, you dumb sonofabitch. You pretend to present reasoned thought, but you aren't fooling anyone who isn't a political hack and party ballwasher.

If you don't want to bne insulted, don't go around saying stupid sh!t. Somehow, I think that's beyond your ability.


Do you ever (not) behave like a potty mouthed brat? huh

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#925588 - 03/22/15 03:44 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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When you don't start threads where you snivel like a pussy and act like a party ballwasher, I don't say anything at all.
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#925589 - 03/22/15 04:29 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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I do none of what you claim, but if you think that you can censor me by making an ass of yourself while acting like a petulant child, by all means carry on, as it's rather humorous.
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#925590 - 03/22/15 05:13 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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lol

So you're not going to quit sniveling like a pussy?

I'm shocked.
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#925605 - 03/22/15 09:40 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
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#925671 - 03/23/15 08:42 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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"Its backlog of unanswered requests at year's end grew remarkably by 55 percent to more than 200,000. It also cut by 375, or about 9 percent, the number of full-time employees across government paid to look for records. That was the fewest number of employees working on the issue in five years."

So your solution is to hire more government workers Blackmouth?
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#925680 - 03/23/15 09:41 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Have you stopped beating your wife?


lol

Weak, but on par for you.
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#925694 - 03/24/15 09:30 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
So you're not going to quit sniveling like a pussy.

Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Have you stopped beating your wife?

Do you understand now?
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#925696 - 03/24/15 09:47 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Steelheadman]
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Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
"Its backlog of unanswered requests at year's end grew remarkably by 55 percent to more than 200,000. It also cut by 375, or about 9 percent, the number of full-time employees across government paid to look for records. That was the fewest number of employees working on the issue in five years."

So your solution is to hire more government workers Blackmouth?


No, hiring more government workers would not be my answer.

Were the employees terminated or moved to some other government positions? Perhaps they were moved to the Obama-phone program. wink
Government has plenty of workers to access those records, it is a simple matter of the administration's priorities.

Any attentive and honest person would admit that cutting government has not been high on President Obama's list of priorities, and that keeping it under his control has been very high on that list.
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#925761 - 03/24/15 07:30 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
"Its backlog of unanswered requests at year's end grew remarkably by 55 percent to more than 200,000. It also cut by 375, or about 9 percent, the number of full-time employees across government paid to look for records. That was the fewest number of employees working on the issue in five years."

So your solution is to hire more government workers Blackmouth?


No, hiring more government workers would not be my answer.

Were the employees terminated or moved to some other government positions? Perhaps they were moved to the Obama-phone program. wink
Government has plenty of workers to access those records, it is a simple matter of the administration's priorities.

Any attentive and honest person would admit that cutting government has not been high on President Obama's list of priorities, and that keeping it under his control has been very high on that list.


The FOIA was signed because records from the Manhattan project were destroyed. Problem is that Reagan cut secretarial workers and higher level employees were given responsibility to do their own filing, typing, etc. Recordkeeping is low priority. Now some records can be destroyed after a certain amount of time. Prevents having to warehouse records and is also searches. Wasn't it Fawn Hall or Oliver North that shredded records about Iran-Contra? Recordkeeping is complex and has only become more burdensome with more program requirements and electronic records. At least now you can save electronic records on smaller media but if you have something like a floppy disc there's nothing to read it anymore. Now everything can be scanned and burned to a CD but what will replace the CD? And now with baby boomers retiring records get passed on. Also have to make sure there are no Social security numbers. If anybody requests records they have to submit a FOIA request and certain information gets redacted/blacked out by attorneys.


Edited by Steelheadman (03/24/15 07:33 PM)
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#925767 - 03/24/15 07:54 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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State acts the same. Just ask Rivrguy how willing WDFW is to comply with requests.
I suspect that a dentist trying to extract an infected canine from a non-sedated grizzly would have more success.

And for the same reasons outlined above. Cut staff, cut training, and make record retention a negative priority.

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#925775 - 03/24/15 09:05 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
So you're not going to quit sniveling like a pussy.

Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Have you stopped beating your wife?

Do you understand now?


I'm sure you're really impressed with yourself and your clever word play.

Nobody that isn't a dumbfuck like you is, though.


Like I said - weak attempt - but par for the course for you.
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#925789 - 03/25/15 08:16 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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I have seen precious little cleverness come from your typed thoughts.
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#925829 - 03/25/15 12:54 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Steelheadman]
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Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
"Its backlog of unanswered requests at year's end grew remarkably by 55 percent to more than 200,000. It also cut by 375, or about 9 percent, the number of full-time employees across government paid to look for records. That was the fewest number of employees working on the issue in five years."

So your solution is to hire more government workers Blackmouth?


No, hiring more government workers would not be my answer.

Were the employees terminated or moved to some other government positions? Perhaps they were moved to the Obama-phone program. wink
Government has plenty of workers to access those records, it is a simple matter of the administration's priorities.

Any attentive and honest person would admit that cutting government has not been high on President Obama's list of priorities, and that keeping it under his control has been very high on that list.


The FOIA was signed because records from the Manhattan project were destroyed. Problem is that Reagan cut secretarial workers and higher level employees were given responsibility to do their own filing, typing, etc. Recordkeeping is low priority. Now some records can be destroyed after a certain amount of time. Prevents having to warehouse records and is also searches. Wasn't it Fawn Hall or Oliver North that shredded records about Iran-Contra? Recordkeeping is complex and has only become more burdensome with more program requirements and electronic records. At least now you can save electronic records on smaller media but if you have something like a floppy disc there's nothing to read it anymore. Now everything can be scanned and burned to a CD but what will replace the CD? And now with baby boomers retiring records get passed on. Also have to make sure there are no Social security numbers. If anybody requests records they have to submit a FOIA request and certain information gets redacted/blacked out by attorneys.


I have read and contemplated your response, to my response, to a post that you made in response to a post that I had originated. wink

My conclusion is that it is was your intent to blame it on Reagan?

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#925870 - 03/25/15 09:03 PM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: blackmouth]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
I have seen precious little cleverness come from your typed thoughts.


Not surprising - that's because you're a dumbfuck.

Didn't we go over this already?
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#925877 - 03/26/15 02:11 AM Re: The most transparent administration in history? [Re: Dan S.]
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And again, no cleverness, just insolence.

Why am I not surprised?
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