Umpqua Community College... at least 20 casualties, 10 dead...so far.

Fish on...

Todd

Dispatch audio.
Pretty disgusting.

45th school shooting this year. unbelievable

If only we banned all guns this would never happen.

If only everyone had two guns loaded and pointed at everyone around them all the time then this would never happen.

And nothing will happen, except more and more of these, because nothing will change.

Fish on...

Todd

very fuked up and RIP to the victims. Can't wait for the political vitriol that always follows such tragedies.

You don't waste anytime using a tragedy for political purposes.

Congrats?

to bad we cant make abortion legal post birth, up to say, age 25

Dam.........Good luck,

SZ

It's a horrible situation and Obummer yapping his trap will not help. He should just STFU.

What is the fix?

Seems like most around here lowered their chances by avoiding higher education.

These mass shootings seem to always be in gun free zones.

All the publicity and presidential addresses makes the next Shiv Sharma out there think they'll get their 10 seconds of fame

not a gun free zone. you can pack in college in oregun

Rumor has it the shooter was asking the victims what religion they follow. Sounds like he was targeting Christians.

on fox one student said the teacher asked
if anyone was packing and he said yes so prof had him guard the door. maybe not allowed but some were packing

"Fix" is going to be a little more complex than the rhetoric thrown around in our current house of reps. and the senate. Better off to get wise to the social media your young ones are using, and see any threats before they play out. I'm guilty of staying clear after they are 18 yo, but it seems like there's always an online conversation that would raise red flags.

Kaiser roll is like retodd a LWWJ.

There's been more than 10 killed in Chicago over a weekend.....no press conference for his home town homies....what gives?

Obama should express concern for the people affected by this heinous act. It was a horrible act that was perpetrated by a person who was obviously either evil or mentally unbalanced. However I do have a problem with him thinking that the only way to control either the mentally imbalanced or evil is to pass more firearm regulations especially if you consider that he did not yet have the facts of the case with which to draw any meaningful conclusions.

He seems to often talk before he has the facts, and he often appears the fool for doing so, and when he has facts he only speaks when they fit his agenda, and that is why I think that he should just STFU. And if you can't understand that you might want to come up with a new name to call yourself. I can think of one, in fact you used it in the post that I am responding to.

On the blog, he wrote about Vester Flanagan, the disgruntled former TV reporter who killed a reporter and cameraman in Virginia in August.

“On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more your’re in the limelight,” he wrote.

I wonder if his parents ever regretted not getting an abortion...

No chit, what a stupid reply. Most libs get their panties in a twist when it come to emotional stuff. Jesus wept.

My stepfather was the Dean of Vocational Training at the UCC for several years. He set up the welding shop that's next door to where the shooting took place. He's since moved onto another job down in Cali, but he's still friends with many on campus. As you can imagine, a good part of the day was spent on the phone. Everyone he knows down there is safe tonight.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have a mental health and media problem. Guns are a symptom, not the disease.

I shot several weapons today....because I can. I will continue to do so as I see fit.

This message was brought to you by way of the 1st as backed up by the 2nd.

Are you referring to Toff or obammy?

What crawled up your ass, RvW?

All I did was point out the obvious...which, of course, is exactly as it is playing out.

The anti-gun crowd thinks banning guns will help.

The gun nuts think if we all had more guns that would help.

There will be no middle ground, and nothing will happen.

If that's polticizing to you, then you are as fuckin stupid as Sol Dunce.

There's your "congrats", asswipe.

Fish on...

Todd

So the anti gun anti second amendment group is a crowd, and the pro gun pro second amendment group are nuts?

No, you're a nut.

Bring something to the table other than your underdeveloped but clearly over self-appreciated wit.

Fish on...

Todd

Not including the Sandy Hook shooter who was obviously mentally disabled the rest of these shooters seem to have a common profile.

1) They had never been laid before.
2) They had very few or no friends on their Facebook page.
3) They blamed society as a whole and especially their peers for the above two realities.

So I propose adding a few questions to the current gun purchase questionnaire.

1) Have you been laid in the past year?
2) Do you have a Facebook account?
2.1) If answered yes to 2 do you have more than 20 friends.

Answer no to any of these questions then you cannot legally purchase a firearm.

Basically these shooters are pissed that they are losers. As always they should take Dan's advise and set themselves on fire and leave the rest of us alone!

And until they all take Dan's advise these shootings are just a cost of a free people in the USA.

Well I am pro gun rights so according to you I must be nuts.


Coming from you that statement is rich indeed.

I believe that Nick's comment (above) is a very simplified, but accurate statement. Other than some idiot wanting to emulate their favorite video game hero, it's not an issue of the weapon used.

Unlike when I was growing up, young people today have a huge amount of free time. They don't socialize in person anymore, instead they sit in their rooms playing video games and texting, or their surfing the web reading all manner of insane propaganda from every psycho, extremist group in the world. It's their own little private world, and while they may seem "normal" to society, inside they are carrying around their own version of life and what they perceive as injustices against them.

No, of course this isn't every kid, but there are still those young people, whose parents are otherwise occupied with their own lives, who fall into this category.

They consume this drivel to the point where they feel "empowered" to make some kind of statement...the violence and death soon follows. Gun, knife, bomb, drive a car through a crowd...whatever. They've done it a million times in video games, so it's not a real stretch for them to try and act it out as part of their "statement".

Honestly, I don't believe society can solve this issue. If humanity rid itself of the Internet and cellular communication, I believe that would make a huge change.....but then, nobody wants that, so that just ain't gonna happen.

My generation has done their bit for "king and country", and we all hoped to leave a better world for our kids. I'm afraid we didn't do a very good job..but damn, we sure tried. Got 9 grandkids under age 12, and worry about what kind of world they will be growing up in.

to me what most of these shooters are looking for is 30 seconds of fame. maybe if the news people would stop all the news about them it might stop some of them.

I like Nick's comments. However, I have a more direct approach...I think if you post pictures of yourself on any social media venue holding a gun and talking about religion, politics or your ex, you should get a visit from FBI, Homeland Security, and local police. The questioning should start with a grip on your throat as you're held off the ground against the wall. Perhaps the questions should go as follows...."you're scaring people, we don't like that. We are now going to track everything you do. When you take a [Bleeeeep!], we'll know. You can't buy guns and we're taking the ones you have now. You want crazy, you just got it. STFU and any further comments that are deemed threatening and you'll be put in a nuthouse."

yes this!

Gang warfare in Chicago has sh!t to do with a mass-homicide at a community college in Oregon.

But you already knew that.

Hank is a Cun.t.

But you already knew that.

fer chris sakes...


would someone tell me something I don't already know?

If you phonetically pronounce "Jesus" backwards it sounds like "sausage".

That's racist.

that I didn't know

no wonder catholic priests like the little boys... its all the subliminal messaging...

I wish I had something substantial to add but I will say this, I work with an open carry guy, he was wearing his gun at work, totally unnecessarily, and made folks a little nervous so now he carries it in a little bag everywhere on his shoulder. He has now been galvanized by him being asked to not open carry and daily goes on bitch tirades about how he has his rights. It is clear that a lot of his identity, to him, is wrapped up in his gun. It takes up a lot of his mental energy and he dwells on it a lot and feels embarrassed and hurt that people don't like his gun. He of course says the gun is there to defend himself which makes sense hypothetically.

So my question is, who has the mental health issue here? The people who are nervous about a gun at work or the guy who is so paranoid he needs to take everywhere and can't feel like himself without his gun and has it in a little man purse?

I'm not talking rights, I'm asking who is cuckoo? I personally feel like this guy has an overactive imagination, lacks statistical comprehension, and is paranoid.

Also, I was not one of the people who asked him not to carry, I don't really care because the guy is a solid reliable employee.

Beezy - I'd say its a little bit of both. If his weapon is that important to him and he wasn't trying to get a reaction, he'd conceal carry. As for the other folks that get nervous, they need to chill and quit being such pansies. It's not the guy with a visible gun on his hip that you have to worry about. Criminals don't usually advertise that they are criminals. Also, this situation depends greatly on where you live. Out here in the politically correct, overly vaginized PNW, its a problem to most. In parts of Wyoming, Montana et. al. you get strange looks if you DON'T have a wheel gun on your hip.

I think NickD90 answered the above succinctly.


I think that you have an interesting point of view, because the gun violence statistics are the same for him as they are for the anti gun zealots, the issue is that their reactions to those statistics are diametrically opposed to his. I think if he "has an overactive imagination, lacks statistical comprehension, and is paranoid" then judging from many of the reactions of the anti gun zealots, that they must also have those tendencies.

I did a little search for school and mass shootings for the last 10 years... anyone else see the common theme? lots of teenage kids shooting others with I guessing, their parents guns... and a few nut job psycho's age 28 and less that are probably getting thiers legally.

whatever the solution our government decides not to come up with, it should've addressed the age of the person and their access to guns. Like you can't buy a gun till you're 30 unless you have a complete psychological analysis performed or you have a co-signer take responsibility for your actions. And if you're a parent with a gun in the house, you better take steps to see that your kid doesn't take it to school and shoot someone or you'll end up dead by your own gun or broke and in jail.



Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 19, 1998
Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.

May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 20, 1999
Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.

May 20, 1999
Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.

Nov. 19, 1999
Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.

Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

Feb. 29, 2000
Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.

March 10, 2000
Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.

May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

Sept. 26, 2000
New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

Jan. 17, 2001
Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

Jan. 18, 2001
Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.

March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

Jan. 15, 2002
New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.

October 28, 2002
Tucson, Ariz. Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself.

April 14, 2003
New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.

April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

Aug. 24, 2006
Essex, Vt. Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother.

Sept. 27, 2006
Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.

Sept. 29, 2006
Cazenovia, Wis. A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.

Oct. 3, 2006
Nickel Mines, Pa. 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.

Jan. 3, 2007
Tacoma, Wash. Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.

April 16, 2007
Blacksburg, Va. A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded.

Sept. 21, 2007
Dover, Del. A Delaware State Univesity Freshman, Loyer D. Brandon, shot and wounded two other Freshman students on the University campus. Brandon is being charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless engagement, as well as a gun charge.

Oct. 10, 2007
Cleveland, Ohio A 14-year-old student at a Cleveland high school, Asa H. Coon, shot and injured two students and two teachers before he shot and killed himself. The victims' injuries were not life-threatening.

Feb. 8, 2008
Baton Rouge, Louisiana A nursing student shot and killed two women and then herself in a classroom at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge.

Feb. 11, 2008
Memphis, Tennessee A 17-year-old student at Mitchell High School shot and wounded a classmate in gym class.

Feb. 12, 2008
Oxnard, California A 14-year-old boy shot a student at E.O. Green Junior High School causing the 15-year-old victim to be brain dead.

Feb. 14, 2008
DeKalb, Illinois Gunman killed five students and then himself, and wounded 17 more when he opened fire on a classroom at Northern Illinois University. The gunman, Stephen P. Kazmierczak, was identified as a former graduate student at the university in 2007.

Nov. 12, 2008
Fort Lauderdale, Florida A 15-year-old female student was shot and killed by a classmate at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale.

Feb. 5, 2010
Madison, Alabama At Discovery Middle School, a ninth-grader was shot by another student during a class change. The boy, whose name was not released, pulled out a gun and shot Todd Brown in the head while walking the hallway. Brown later died at Huntsville Hospital.

Jan. 5, 2011
Omaha, Nebraska Two people were killed and two more injured in a shooting at Millard South High School. Shortly after being suspended from school, the shooter returned and shot the assistant principal, principal, and the school nurse. The shooter then left campus and took his own life.

Jan. 5, 2011
Houston, Texas Two people opened fire during a Worthing High School powder-puff football game. One former student died. Five other people were injured.

May 10, 2011
San Jose, California Three people were killed in a parking garage at San Jose State University. Two former students were found dead on the fifth floor of the garage. A third, the suspected shooter, died later at the hospital.

Dec. 8, 2011
Blacksburg, Virginia A Virginia Tech police officer was shot and killed by a 22-year old student of Radford University. The shooting took place in a parking lot on Virginia Tech's campus.

Feb. 10, 2012
Walpole, New Hampshire A 14-year-old student shot himself in front of 70 fellow students.

Feb. 27, 2012
Chardon, Ohio At Chardon High School, a former classmate opened fire, killing three students and injuring six. Arrested shortly after the incident, the shooter said that he randomly picked students.

March 6, 2012
Jacksonville, Florida Shane Schumerth, a 28-year-old teacher at Episcopal High School, returned to the campus after being fired and shot and killed the headmistress, Dale Regan, with an assault rifle.

April 2, 2012
Oakland, Calif. One Goh, a 43-year-old former student at Oikos University, a Christian school populated by mostly Korean and Korean-Americans, opened fire on the campus, killing seven people and wounding several others.

July 20, 2012
Aurora, Colo. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises, a gunman opens fire on the crowded theater. At least 12 people are killed and 38 others are wounded. The suspect, James Holmes, set off a smoke device in the front of the theater before opening fire. Directly after the incident, Holmes, age 24, was arrested in a parking lot behind the theater.

December 11, 2012
Portland, Ore. Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22, opened fire in the Clackamas Town Center mall, located 11 miles from downtown Portland, Oregon. Using an AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle, Roberts killed two people and wounded one other. He then took his own life.

December 14, 2012
Newtown, Conn. Adam Lanza, 20, killed 20 children and six others at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. He killed his mother, Nancy, at her home prior to the massacre at the school. Lanza committed suicide after the rampage. The shooting was the second deadliest in U.S. history, behind the 2007 shooting at Virginia Polytechnic Institute that claimed 32 people.

October 21, 2013
Sparks, Nevada A middle-school student shoots and kills Michael Landsberry, a math teacher at Sparks Middle School. The student then shot himself in front of other students.

May 23, 2014
Isla Vista, California A gunman, identified as Elliot Rodger, kills six people and wounds 13 others in Isla Vista, Calif., a small town near Santa Barbara. He stabs three men in his apartment before driving to locations throughout the town where he kills three students from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Before the rampage, Rodger, age 22, posts a video called "Elliot Rodger's Retribution" on his YouTube Channel and writes a 137-page manifesto. In both, he expresses his anger over being rejected by women and his plans for revenge.

June 5, 2014
Seattle, Washington A man armed with a shotgun opens fire at Seattle Pacific University, killing one student and wounding two others. The suspect, Aaron Ybarra, 26, is not a student at the college. He was subdued by a student security guard and taken into custody.

October 24, 2014
Marysville, Washington Jaylen Ray Fryberg, a popular freshman at Marysville-Pilchuck High School, opens fire in the cafeteria, killing two students and critically wounding three others before turning the gun on himself.

June 17, 2015
Charleston, South Carolina A white male opened fire during a prayer service at the historically significant Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, killing nine people, including Rev. Clementa Pinckney, the church's pastor and a state senator. The alleged gunman, Dylann Storm Roof, 21, sat in the church for about an hour before beginning the rampage. He was caught about 200 miles away on June 18.

October 1, 2015
Roseburg, Oregon. A gunman opened fire at Umpqua Community College. Ten people were killed and seven more wounded. The suspected shooter, 26- year-old Chris Harper Mercer, was killed while exchanging gunfire with the police.

I read that only 1/2 of one percent of CC actually commit crimes with their weapon. Even less than LE as a whole. We should take that 150 billion from Iran and put metal detectors in all schools nation wide.But do people want that? I don't think so, besides these whackos will just target other places. Most facts show that a armed society is a polite society. I've been a CW holder since 1983 and carry 80% of the time. I'm glad some people like to open carry, for the fact that some laws get swept under the rug when not carried out and seem harder to bring back.

I've only opened carried once in the city when Starbucks came out and said they would honor state law of open carry in their stores, more of a solidarity thing to me.
I just don't want the hassle of some freaked out person calling 911 and reporting me. I just don't need the stress, plus I like the element of surprise.

Reality is, these type of things will continue. They are extremely rare, you're probably more likely to be hit by lighting twice in a year.

Excellent point. Thank you.

With all respect, nearly all of these shootings have a trail in social media that should have alerted someone.

perhaps the bureau of Alcohol, Tabacco and firearms should become the bureau of Alcohol, tabocco and cannibis... and homeland security be split into two groups Homeland security: foreign and domestic

From Hillary


Finally, Clinton will call for a repeal of the legal immunity that gun manufacturers and dealers currently enjoy under a 2005 law called the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. This could be the most politically provocative of the four proposals. Not only is the immunity a prized possession of the NRA, but it is something that Sanders voted for while a member of the House of Representatives. Clinton, who was a senator representing New York at the time, voted against it.

Working with Sol Duc must suck.

Hank used to open carry at work.






Now he just totes around a man purse with a strap on dildo inside.

The best deterrent is a deterrent.

These cowards focus on locations where there is none.

In my opinion, responsible gun owners fighting back, is a pretty good deterrent.

It's pretty obvious his daddy with the accent and mommy with the gun fetish were anything but responsible.

I was struck by the sheer length of the list of school shootings Piper posted. I knew I'd heard the story far too many times; seeing the list was a real eye-opener. Not sure it can be solved, but we definitely have a big issue here.

Sol Duc referred to a statistic indicating that a person's odds of getting struck by lightning multiple times is more likely than being a victim in a shooting like this. As a father of three students, I think those odds are unacceptably high.

The scary thing for me is that I can remember what it's like to feel alienated or misunderstood (can't we all remember feeling that way at least once in high school?). I recall pondering, if only for a moment, doing something rash to make myself heard or make everyone sorry they didn't treat me better. Young adulthood is probably the stage of our lives during which we are most emotionally fragile. It's also the stage where we start to become increasingly aware of the injustices life throws our way on a regular basis. For some, it seems those stresses become too much to bear. The line between those individuals and the ones who make it through without lashing out is becoming frighteningly thin.

So why is this stuff so much more common in the Information Age? I'm not sure, but I think the Internet becoming the preferred medium for person to person communication has played a significant role. As has been noted in this thread, there generally seems to be a social media post or a person to person text string that provides clues that something like this might be coming. As this forum demonstrates (to our great joy), it's a lot easier to summon the courage to write mean, degrading things about people than it is to insult people face to face. This means a lot more damaging things get "said." Often, it also means a much larger audience sees what has been "said" and feels obliged to pile on. The victim can literally count the number of "friends" who have made antagonistic posts. Seems to me the "proof" that "nobody likes me" could be much harder for a young person to get past than a few things a couple people said (AFTER applying the face to face filter, which usually makes the message less harsh) but that they will never need to hear (or read) again.

The other thing the Information Age assures a person who makes the choice to commit such an act (also pointed out by others) is instantaneous, worldwide publication of his/her story and enough media attention to make his/her name infamous (which is just as good as famous when all you want is attention).

Violent video games probably make it easier for some of these misguided individuals to visualize mass acts of violence, but I think their role is probably small, relative to the emotional bullying young people subject each other to. Bullying has always been there. I think it was just easier for young victims to convince themselves that one bully's feelings about them didn't represent everyone else's feelings in the days before everyone else had a way to pile on their own insults, in a place where the victim can read all the hate, over and over, until they fully believe nobody likes them.

Repost. Oops.

No social media, go volunteer, and have a father figure in your life that will set you straight.

Modern instant gratification society & fame seeking
Everyone is a unique and special snowflake
Mommy and Daddy working until all hours to make it
Everyone is a winner
Destruction of family unit
Media hysteria and need for ratings
Feminism and castration of males
Violent video games with a reset button
Kids pumped full of meds & SSRI's
Social media in all forms
Tenants of Communism
No jobs, no futures and massive student loan debt
Removal of religion and status of a higher power
Street drugs - lots of street drugs
Sexual frustration
Violent crime and glorification of criminal elements
Unchecked immigration
Removal of forced institutionalization
Broken educational systems and zero tolerance

The list goes on and on and on...

It's not weapons. It's our modern day society we've created for ourselves. Weapons are the "easy" target to go after. The above list is really hard to tackle.
Kids and people are going to continue to die until we get it fixed. We won't get it fixed. Happy Monday....

that's a good list nick. I guess I'll add that when I was in high school pagers were cool. I can't imagine kids being bullied at school and at home with facebook. Bullying will always be around but it shouldn't be 24/7.

"Sexual frustration"

When I was in school I would simply release the prisoners.

Amazing how much better I felt.

Also I told my kids that facebook is wack. Old people are on it, like the oldest people on earth. That changed their minds.

When I was in high school, "guns at school" meant we were going bird hunting after class. All we had to do was leave shotguns and ammo vests in the principle's office as we lugged them off the school bus in the morning, unless you drove to school - then you had to leave them in the trunk of your car in the school parking lot.

Interesting list and let us not forget that traffic crashes are the leading cause of death for teenagers across the United States. Across all age groups in the US, there are more deaths from traffic crashes than guns even though the statistics are only slightly in favor of car crashes.

Did I miss the president’s speech of the 5 fatalities and about 50 injuries that involved a bus loaded with students and the duck vehicle on the Seattle bridge recently? (rhetorical)

Well Faak a Duck.

pretty much this

Once again Nick is on the right track...great list, but sadly it's just for starters.

ANYONE who would commit such a heinous act as shooting people is clearly mentally unstable. Blaming the weapon used is no different than blaming the car of a drunk driver after it kills someone in a head-on.

In 2010, alcohol was involved in 2,020 (or 47.2 percent) of pedestrian fatalities, 11,087 (or 39.9 percent) of vehicle occupant fatalities, 209 (or 33.8 percent) of pedal cyclist fatalities (as shown in Figure 2). Pedestrians are more vulnerable than highway vehicle occupants are. In addition, drivers involved in traffic crashes that resulted in pedestrian fatalities had less than two-thirds the rate of alcohol involvement as did the pedestrians killed.

Similarly, alcohol can impair a boaters judgment, balance, vision, and reaction time.6 The U.S. Coast Guard reported 154 recreational boating fatalities (or 22.9 percent) which involved alcohol use as a contributing factor in 2010 (as shown in Figure 3).


Blame alcohol--- ban alcohol.

They are already banning supersized drinks and blaming McDonalds.

Doctors and the Health Care industry are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US behind heart disease and cancer.

BAN DOCTORS!

birth is the #1 cause of death...



Ban Sex

9 people will never have sex again.

Depending on the study (low / mid / high estimates), a good middle ground average is about 1 million DGU's per year. The FBI stats are in that same ballpark.

Here's some additional ballparked stats. I'm too lazy to link everything, so you if disagree, then by all means use Google.

33K gun deaths per year.
20K are suicides
1K are accidental
10K are homicides
5K of homicides are committed by minorities (black on black street crime et al.)

When you remove Suicides, accidents and gangbangers, the US becomes one of the safest countries in the world.

If just 10% of all DGU's resulted in deaths (by removal of DGU's) that's 100K dead people that could not defend themselves. This is equates to a 900% increase in gun deaths by removing the right to bear arms for defensive purposes.

Guns save FAR more lives than they take.

BTW - Obama in his rush to politicize this latest shooting said he would in fact politicize it to the fullest extent possible AND that we should all make it a single issue voting decision.

Obama is currently seeking and working on EO gun restrictions. Hillary already came out and said she would use EO's on this if she's elected. Sanders the same. O'Malley is even worse than Clinton or Sanders. The SC has already ruled on this. As per the Oath of the Office, they must defend the laws of the land regardless if they believe in said laws or not.

Ok then. As an independent, I will not be voting Dem this go around. On this issue and this issue alone, I will be voting for Trump.

IMO - The Dems just lost the WH in 2016 this week. Trump 2016. Book it.

Bring on the blue dresses!!!

$100 confident for Trump wins the general election? If so, I'm in.

Trump should buy the White House, remodel it, and sell it for a profit.

fixed that for you... ironically the taxpayers would save in the long run

AP - I'm not going to place that bet (yet). It's too early. I will say this, the Dems lost my and many others votes this week with their utter and complete nonsense. Not the biggest fan of Trump, but he's about the only one that's addressed this issue correctly. Obama said to make it a single issue vote, so I will.

Come on, Nick. Where is the confidence on your punditry? I figured you, of all people, would back up your assertion.

Alas, another dark side yapper.

Maybe AP. Cash is tight for me these days and needed for other efforts. Maybe in a month or two. We still have a LONG time before the primaries.

Gov Cuomo of NY has the best idea I've heard yet. He wants to shut down government until such time "meaningful" gun laws are passed.

I can support that!

No wonder you support Trump! You believe he'll magically make us all rich. I suppose your lack of betting is still a classy stand compared to someone like Redhook and Sol Duc who would make the bet and simply fail to pay up.

Despite the earthquake-style warnings on the dark side, I managed to keep Obama from taking my guns and money. It's a (war on) Christmas miracle!

I'm in for ten thouand, Nick...you sound like you have lost your fuckin mind.

Too bad "stupid" isn't a good cause of death...or people would be dropping like flies on this thread.

Fish on...

Todd

Don't be so gullible. This is too easy. Babies with candy put up a tougher protest.

So, who will be the next President?

THIS is the question, and as usual, there are no answers I like. The whole cesspool is full to the brim with Plutocratic scum.