Rioters just shot two cops in Dallas according to CNN, looks like payback is gonna be a MF'r. I think the war has started..

Ya know This is a real crummy deal, unprecedented, but when you show what happened to those two black guys to the whole world on the internet, and it's not like it's the first time, and a day earlier you give Hillary Clinton a pass......

Well you know it's a good possibility it starts some kind of war and bad things happen.

It's terrible that 11 cops were shot, it's also terrible two black guys were killed in an unjustified manor.

I just watch the show and throw my hands up thinking this might be when SHTF for real. all I can say is crack a beer and watch he show because this is just the first few seconds into the main feature....


Your gonna have martial law in Dallas tomorrow morning, suspects on the loose alledged bombs all over the city, this will shut the city down, watch the stock market crash in the morning.

Stock market crash ?????????????????? lmao.

Just had to throw that in there.

Oh,,, my bunker is already full so don't get any ideas...

Tell you one thing our cops both good and bad ones are on pins and needles as of now, be kind and courteous if you come in contact with them, understand that they are probably scarred to death, put yourself in heir shoes for a minute.

I know I am very critical towards law enforcement but I do it because I care and desire it to change for the better. Even though this is a really bad string of events hopefully it will be the key which opens the door for change in the right direction.

No facts yet on who the shooters are.

Rich, the dow is up 250 today. I thought you said it was going to crash?

Unfortunately that's what happens when you get your "news" from "alternative news" sites...you aren't usually getting alternative news, you are getting alternative facts...alternative to reality...and alternative opinions...alternative to logic and reason.

Fish on...

Todd

Things are in a holding pattern. Until they are not.

The shootings in Dallas weren't revenge. Revenge would be targeting the officers involved in the questionable shootings last week.

This was just the murder of people who had nothing to do with the events last week by someone with misdirected anger.


Beyond that, I don't even know what to say.

There does seem to be an ironic justice - in an entirely negative way - in the sequence of events.

Random black men, either innocent of any crime or maybe guilty of very minor legal infractions, or "driving while black," shot by white police officers.

A few days later, random white police officers, similarly innocent, shot by a pissed off black man.

It's not right, but how much longer can it go on, where apparently innocent blacks get shot before it seems like a logical consequence that random innocent white cops are shot? And don't get me wrong; I think I've established my opinion well that I've no quarrel with perps of any race being shot while committing crimes.

I have always realized that BU is a bomb tossing ignorant liberal but SG I must admit that you surprised me with that bit of drivel, as the only justice involved in the Dallas event was delivered by a robot.

Finally something we can agree on. Just a thrill killing monster.

The Minnesota Cop was Mexican, and it appears the Black passenger had the gun on his lap, and did not follow instructions.

Sol Duc,

Just like they vaporized the shooter in Dallas, so there is no body and no testing, no autopsy, infact we cannot even verify if this was the real shooter because they say his body was vaporized by the bomb. Total [Bleeeeep!] and total lies, Looks like Dallas was an inside job for sure....

And your gonna try and sell me that one shooter with a Chinese garbage SKS and a couple of handguns took out 12 cops who had at minimum the best M-4s, and training that money could buy, And he sniped the cops from a highrise probably without optics even. You heard the automatic fire on video, witnesses said there were multiple shooters from rooftops triangulated, initially Dallas PD and the news said the same thing.

I agree.

Oh, do you really think that somebody going through the trouble to do this is gonna use an SKS to try and snipe people from buildings, this guy was Army trained, he understood weapons and what a particular weapon is suited for. An SKS is a short range Riffle, it is not a precision riffle.

Any 10 year old kid who has went to the range a half dozen times could be lethal from a high rise with a low quality hunting Riffle and scope. But even a highly trained Navy seal would have trouble effectively hitting targets from any amount of distance with an SKS.

Plus from the cell phone video you could hear what sounded like automatic fire or at the very least "bump shooting", No automatic weapon or semi automatic weapon is very accurate when shot like like, you pretty much could not hit the broadside of a barn.

Rich, what do you mean by an "inside" Job in Dallas?

Lol. The POS selling pirated CDs in Louisiana had a lengthy rap sheet and was a convicted pedophile. He was a felon in possession of a firearm and the cops were responding to his brandishing of that firearm. Hardly minor offenses. The assassinations of targeted white officers in Dallas is a racially motivated hate crime. The POS Sterling fancied himself a gangsta and sometimes good things happen to bad people. Live by the sword die by the sword. In any case good riddance!

DPD headquarters is under lockdown, SWAT on the way...

appearently a group from Dallas that said they are armed made a "serious" threat....


http://www.king5.com/news/reports-dpd-un...hreat/268437175

if you dont know, there is a major group formed in Dallas, that doesnt have the utmost respect for police, or whites in general... The New Black Panther Party....

theres also the AADL, (African American Defense League)...

heres what the leader of that, and advisor to the BP Party has to say...


“WE ARE CALLING ON THE GANGS ACROSS THE NATION! ATTACK EVERYTHING IN BLUE EXCEPT THE MAIL MAN, UNLESS HE IS CARRYING MORE THAN MAIL!,” Dr. Mauricelm-Lei Millere, an “advisor” to the New Black Panther Party and head of the African American Defense League posted on Facebook on Friday.

http://www.vocativ.com/338505/hate-group-urges-gangs-to-kill-cops-after-dallas-shootings/

It just seems with a majority of these shootings, it's hard to know what to believe. The facts never seem to make total sense. THese shooters seem to be at the extreme high end of the proficiency range when shooting people under stress with in some cases sub par equipment, yet getting the best possible and efficient results.

Just seems strange to me when you look at police officer proficiency under stress and compare the two.

Blowing him up was definitely the move i would have made, but how do you vaporize a body without taking down an entire building? A hand grenade will definitely kill a man but won't blow him to pieces or vaporize him for that manner, You need allot of explosive energy for a regional blast to vaporize a body, how do you do that without blowing the entire building up? I don't know that it would be possible, I have some training in this as I was a combat engineer, it makes no sense..

Anyone with a modicum of practice with an SKS can be extremely deadly at 150 or 200 yards. 100 yards is a no brainier

Blackmouth,

Drivel? Really? Based on what? I called it negative and ironic. I did not and do not condone Johnson's deed of shooting anyone. But seriously, can anyone other than a hard core racist conclude that every one of these blacks shot by cops is a "good" shoot? I can't, and I'm on record as favoring the immediate dispatch of perps caught in a smash and grab of an unoccupied vehicle.

RVW,

We seldom agree on anything, so no real surprise here either. With more information available, I see that Sterling was a felon in possession of a firearm he isn't legally allowed to possess. You think that merits on the spot execution without due process, I think it's outside the bounds of justice, especially since they had him restrained and pinned to the ground.

Rich,

That level of marksmanship is entirely possible. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald used a 6.5 mm WWII surplus bolt action carbine he bought from Klien's mail order in Chicago for $13 and iron sights to hit Kennedy from the book depository.

Sg

Oswald had a scope.

Is there a grassy knoll in that part of Dallas, too?

Fish on...

Todd

Salmo, Yes is the short answer. I'm in favor of, upon releasing a child rapist from prison for serving their sentence they get a .22 short to the back of their head, just beyond the gates. The POS shouldn't have been reaching for his gun and fighting with the cops. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

I'm not surprised by your emotional support of the liberal narrative. You fancy yourself a free thinker but you are anything but. You go ahead and run with the headlines, no need for you to bother going any deeper than that. The details wouldn't fit your emotionally based notions.

I saw pictures of his alledged body and riffle used, looks like the same guy, the riffle looks like AK 74 with maybe a red dot.

That set up seems more plausible. Don't know why the chief sId ye body had been vaporized.

A riffle, eh?

The Rogue has riffles.
Named riffles.
How can you tell the difference between AK47 and AK74 ?

Where are the pics ?

Drivel: to talk in a very foolish or silly way


"ironic justice" There was no justice involved in the Dallas murders. To suggest that there was is both foolish and silly.


"Random black men, either innocent of any crime or maybe guilty of very minor legal infractions, or "driving while black,"
shot by white police officers." ------Random black men? What black men are you talking about? I am not familiar with any of the homicides that supposedly lead up to the Dallas murders that were random, to state that they were somehow randomly shot is both foolish and silly.

"A few days later, random white police officers, similarly innocent, shot by a pissed off black man." ------The killer in the Dallas
murders was specifically intending to kill white people, especially white police the only thing randam about the killings was which of the targets the killer could aquire a site picture on, and to state that the officers were "similarly innocent'" presumes innocence on the all of the blacks killed at the hands of the police. Another foolish and silly statement.

"It's not right, but how much longer can it go on, where apparently innocent blacks get shot before it seems like a logical
consequence that random innocent white cops are shot? And don't get me wrong; I think I've established my opinion well that
I've no quarrel with perps of any race being shot while committing crimes." ------Innocent white cops have already been shot, so apparently it is too late to ask "how much longer can it go on" to do so would be silly, but to state that the Dallas murders are somehow a "logical consequence" of police action is beyond very foolish and silly, it is in fact an unhinged and downright dangerous way of thinking, it is a way of thinking that very possibly was going on in the Dallas murderers mind as he planned and put into action his plan to "kill white people especially cops".

And that is why I stated that your post was drivel.

If we're going to have guns around, this kind of stuff will always happen, not because all the people carrying are idiots, but because they are human. If you feel your life or livelihood is in danger and are carrying a gun, not reaching for that gun is going to be a harder decision than to do so, whether it's cops or anyone else we're talking about. Once a gun has been pulled, fear takes hold. Fear makes people do crazy stuff. Always has, always will.

As a generally pro-gun guy (in safe places; not on the street), I see this as the best argument against allowing people to carry them in public. Whether you're pro-gun or not, it's hard to argue that every one of the people wrongfully killed in this deal wouldn't be alive today had the first guy not reached for his gun.

if everyone was armed one would think twice before pulling their gun....

The "fear" takes hold long before the gun is pulled, and is probably the reason the gun was pulled. "Fear" does not equal panic, and without fear there is no courage.

Ever been in a fire fight? You know, bullets whizzing past your head while you are trying desperately to shoot the SOB trying to kill you and not get killed yourself?

I'd be concerned for your sanity if you weren't afraid .

If you were armed, and in a mall food court, and some Islamic maggot started shooting people ...yeah, you'd be scared $hitless like everyone else, but you would still grab your 9mm and shoot back before he shot you, or your children.

That's EXACTLY my point. It's because cops know lots of people are packing that they approach even routine traffic stops on a hair trigger. Counter-violence like what we saw in Dallas only makes the situation that much worse.

Do you hardcores out there REALLY think the solution is to give every man, woman, and child a firearm? That's the kind of fear you want your children living in?

Our right to bear arms is important, but I don't believe our forefathers intended us all to carry them around everywhere we go. If the reason the Second Amendment was included in the Constitution ever comes to fruition, we'll have plenty of time to unlock our gun safes and break out the arsenal before the tyrants come calling.

Funny.

no you didn't.

Q1: Absolutely not. If a person chooses to carry in public, IMO they should also have had training on how to use the weapon, and when.

Guess I'm not a hardcore.

Q2: My grown daughter packs a .380 or 9mm, and has the needed training to go along with it, if ever needed. She does not live in fear, nor do my grandchildren.

Cops train constantly, but the public doesn't. I'd be a big supporter of legislation requiring the completion of a training course and passing a test to show competence before a concealed permit is issued.

AK-74 is a semi-auto shooting a 5.45x39mm cartridge. Don't think it's even made in a full-auto design. It is also based on the Kalashnikov design.

AK-47 can be made full-auto or semi-auto, and shoots the 7.62 round. Once you get shot at (or near) with an AK-47, you will never forget the sound.

The 74 is full auto or not...

reported.

So Evo, without Googling, what round does AK74 use ?
And why ?

Nvrmnd....you know yer gonna Google.

Media is right on track....first it was AR15, then AK and now SKS.

Don't need to google, it's the 5.45x39, Mak90, 47, Sks all shoot 7.62x39, some .223/5.56 (AK)....

I've owned all 3, 2 Siaga Ak 100s, and an AMD 65..

Sure you have Billy.

lol

what?

Fricken A......

The cops have a hair trigger because so many have been shot and killed in the last couple of years , 28 this year.

And just what do you suppose their killers used to put those cops in a shot and killed state?

Guns are supposed to give cops a clear, threatening advantage over citizens behaving badly. That advantage is KEY to them doing their everyday job. Knowing that an ever-increasing number of citizens are carrying (some legal, some not, some good, some bad) proboably doesn't do much to keep them calm and confident, and I dare say it might even put some on a hair trigger.

Quite honestly, I think watching innocent (or at least not antagonistic) people get shot by cops while apparently reaching for a gun provides a solid incentive NOT to carry one. Cops who don't feel threatened (a lot like you and I) tend to be more "reasonable."

If that were true hundreds of hunters would be shot by game cops every year. It is not the gun that provides the threat it is the perception of guns from an LE perspective that provides the threat.

I've never been perceived as a threat whether armed with a pistol or a long rifle when being pulled over. A couple of times I've even had LE check out my rifles to make sure they were unloaded. Once was with my '66 Centennial 30-30. The cop spent 30 minutes checking it out and talking hunting. But then again I'm white!

It is not a cops job to go home safely!!!! It is a cops job to serve and protect. As long as they are putting their lives in front of citizens lives then we are going to have bad shoots putting even more cops lives in danger and making their ability to do their job that much harder.

Could you imaging a soldier being trained that his or her life is more important than the mission? Our military would be worthless as a force and that seems to be the path LE is going down.

I must say events in Dallas may actually bring this issue forward in a positive way just by how the protesters, the cops (especially that Chief) and first responders have reacted.

I couldn't disagree more.

That was easily Obama's best and most inspiring speech of his tenure.

Today he sounded like a leader and not a politician. Today he sounded like the man I voted for 7 1/2 years ago and not the man I voted against 3 1/2 years ago.

And I find that extremely sad. As now we will go back to see who can scare the most voters, Clinton or Trump, and thus win the most votes . Not sure what's worse, the candidates or the voters??

But as for today well done Mr. Obama!! Hopefully we, as a nation and a people, can move forward together!

Now, if were able to transfer the concepts into some concrete action.

And yes GW's speech was excellent also.

JHC.

Broke a universal joint in the middle of the night somewhere around Roseburg on I-5.
OSP trooper pulled over to check me out.
Before it was over we were both out of the rigs, dry firing my Dan Wesson .357 with the new trigger job.

True story.

Cool, Troopers are usually all bidness.

Just say no to any Commie Rifle.

AK-74 can use 7N6 ammo.
7N6 has a steel rod penetrator core which was intended to defeat body armor.

But who knows what his weapons were.
If it was the above, they would want to keep it quiet because there is still some 7N6 ammo around.

its hard to tell what caliber it is unless they say it, all Saiga's look the same for the most part...

could have been a .308..

A certain dude I know has a fully equipped S-12. 20 rd drum + 00 buck = 180 .330 pellets down range right fookin' now.

That ain't no Rifle Son

I ain't your son Pops. It is Russian and the same basic AK rifle platform. They work fine once broken in and the S-12 is not cheap to break in.

its a shotgun...


not a rifle...


very fun...

Jeezus. I know it's a shotgun. I own it ya' daft cvnts.

The truth is out.