Stinkfoot----
Thank you.

Tom-
Glad to hear it. I am convinced that the biggest failure of the public schools is the lack of historical education regarding the US and its founding. If high school grads were required to read and understand these and a few other documents this country would have very few problems today. After hundreds of years of politicians "solving" our many problems we have more than ever. I guarantee that someone on this board with a fifth grade education from the forties knows more about these items than anyone under the age of 25 on this board.

I would also like to know why only certain dams should come down??? Why not ALL columbia and snake river dams??? It would, after all, provide a natural spawning path for salmon and steelhead.

I also like how you lefties rail against the "RICH" and then advocate voting for Cantwell. Last count has her as a forty millionaire. More than a family of ten could spend in five lifetimes. How much extra has this do-gooder sent the IRS in the last five years. It seems that she only believes that the gov't needs more of our money. I wonder how much her tax person makes annually. If the current tax system is so fair...could she not do her own taxes. I will bet that she pays someone several thousand dollars per year to save her more in taxes than most of you lefties make.

And when someone overcharges you for an item, what do you do. You grab something for forty dollars and when you get to the register the clerk asks you for fifty. Do you: A- pay the fifty B- correct the clerk and pay forty C- offer to pay 49 bucks as long as the mgr approves of you having the item.

Hey Wit, Great idea on the dam removal I feel its a little premature but advances in fuel cell technology and other means of moving ahead on conservation and efficency will make it possible to get rid of a great number of these so called Dams.
Getting rid of a few at present to ward off extiniction is about all we can hope for now.
Keep up the good work on your posting I love this class warfare stuff it really is america at its best.

Hey RT:
No it's not a bad dream, it is really me.
Hey RT:
I read on your post of 10-19-00 you state regarding the website you posted on environmental scorecards that "those were the facts based on the voting records of the politicians rated! And on the merritous bills, no 'riders' attached."
Well I studied the website a little further and found that of the seven senate bills listed on the "2000 National Environmental Scorecard", four of them were Riders and two of them were amendments. Now I will be the first to admit I did not go to the US Senates Homepage for further verification. I just used the information that you provided. But it is beginning to look like there may be more facts than what may be shown.

This is what I have been saying all along. You can't base an arguement on one biased website. Whether it be to the far right or the far left.

The only thing I can say to that is WHERE ARE THE CAPS ON THE WORDS "FAR LEFT"????? LOL

Are all "LEFTIES" bad Wit? or just the ones who disagree with your own unbiased oponions? If only we all were as clear thinking as you. Must be great to not have to think for your self just be told what to think and all is RIGHT with the world. I for one would never vote for anyone just because of their political party, that if just mindless crap. Try to think for your self. It might hurt the first few times you try it but you migth just like it. Have a great day!

Wit-hers what my dad use to tell me"dont argue with a fool because a passer by knows not which you are" You cant argue with these guys,they believe fish and trees are more valuable then human lives.And evidently they dont mind giving up all there rights for this....TM FAR RIGHT

I don't think anyone believes fish and trees lives are more important than peoples lives. Some of us may believe that our lives and future generations lives depend on a healthy environment that includes fish and trees. It's short term gain at the expense of a healthy environment that is objectionable. Don't you have children? Just look at one example, fishing. In my 48 years I have seen fishing in this state go from being able to catch salmon,steelhead, rockfish, lingcod ect. just about anytime I wanted to the sad situation it is now. In my opinion that is a big reduction in the quality of life. Our children deserve better than this. Personally,I would rather my children inherit a living planet than add a few more million dollars to CEO bank accounts.

1: I've never said "leftists" were bad, just wrong.
2: I've never said my opinions were unbiased, just correct.
3: I've never been told WHAT to think, only when.
4: I too wish you were all clear thinking, but you have improved my typing skills.
5: I've never voted for anyone based solely upon their political party.
6: I don't engage in personal attacks but rather spirited political discourse.
7: I've yet to be engaged on this thread based on facts or ideas.(other than affirmative)
8: I've yet to get an answer to my paying too much question.

I fear that you have all missed the point. I proudly announce my ideology and make an effort to persuade. You must all reach your own conclusions however incorrect I believe they are or are not. We on the right seem to welcome debate on the issues whereas those of you on the left seem to prefer shouting down, labeling and personal attacks. When questioning the motives of the study sponsors I am referred to as an automatron incapable of independant thought. Don't get me wrong, I can take it, I would just prefer to have an honest debate.
Regards,
The bigoted, neanderthal, mean-spirited, mind numbed robot. (got that name while winning an argument with a liberal)LOL

wit,

What's really funny is that the only place I can see that you've won any argument is in your own mind. But, I guess that's where it counts most.

You've avoided issues yourself. You never answered why the huge highway project in Olympia hasn't saved anybody any time. Are they just not building lanes fast enough, or CAN they build lanes fast enough?

Face it, wit, you're no more correct than the next guy. You're just viewing issues from a conservative point of view, while others view them from a liberal point of view. That doesn't make either party right or wrong, they just view the same issue differently.

Fish on.......

To the contrary sir- my ideas have been proven correct in many ways over many centuries. The ideas of the left while sounding good, have never solved any problems. The war on poverty is a good example. Over nearly forty years of prosperity and growth during a "war on poverty" the percentage of the american people in need of help has increased. It has nothing to do with the left not caring...they are just trying to solve the problem the wrong way. When tax rates were reduced in the early eighties charitable contributions nearly tripled. (just as they are increasing today with more disposable income) If tax rates were lowered back to the 1990 levels today you would again see a huge boom in charitable giving. When people are allowed to manage their own money they tend to do the right thing more often than not. The race issue is only alive today due to those on the left paying credence to the idiots that still hate based on color. You just cannot legislate common sense or decency. Without the attention they will go hide and talk to each other about who they hate because no one else will listen. The theories of the right have worked every time they have been tried. JFK could not be a democrat today because he encouraged self reliance and tax rate cuts. We measure success based upon how many people no longer need our help. Remember the catch a man a fish or teach a man to fish parable. Truer today than ever. I think the tuesday election has proven that there are indeed two sides of america. I can only hope that my side wins and has a chance to prove again that we know what we're doing. Good day.

Wit,
I'm curious about these prior centuries during which your ideas were proved correct. Exactly how long have you been alive? Judging by the fact that your knowledge and intelligence is obviously exponentially higher than us puny mortals I'll bet you've been around at least three or four centuries. Are you a vampire? Or did you amass your incredible knowledge through past life regression? Do you hang out with Shirley McLaine? Do you two compare auras? Inquiring minds want to know...

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I'll never tell....perhaps I should have begun the paragraph with "My conclusions have been....." Good catch.