I was not trying to bash anybody, just have issues with the whole late season fishing below hatcherys. I live in Idaho and its full swing time for combat fishing on the little Salmon, south fork Salmon and north fork Clearwater. They get people lined up shoulder to shoulder to fish in a hole maybe 15 feet across. People sleeping on rocks so they can be the first person "in the hole"... Pretty good fist fight about every 20 min or so.. all day long. In may the fish are in good shape. In the middle of July they are flat nasty. I know a bunch of guys who fish in these zones and its always the same deal " hooked 30 and landed 12 "... thats not fishing.. its something else all on its own. It looks kinda like a zoo. The point of all this rambling is this. If I was a kid I would spend my fishing time down the river fishing for the fish on their terms so I could learn something about fishing. The term "like shooting fish in a barrel" got started somehow.