Hi LL, no i didn`t give up anywhere. Lately I prefer fresh tuna to elephant and crow. Getting near the point where I`ll switch from surf to turf. Fresh heart is sounding real good. Cutting hatchery production at this time would be a big mistake for WDFW. Too many fishermen have already given up due to regulations and lack of fish. This may spiral out of control if we`re only left with natives to fish for, there`s not many of them even with all the regulations designed to protect them. Here`s your boogey man, if hatchery production is eliminated, 95% of us will no longer fish, take that to your budget meeting WDFW/ODFW. Bill