I guess brewer wants to add himself to the dim bulb club. I hate doing peoples homework for them, especially those who don't apply themselves, but I will this one time:

Originally Posted By: Brewer
Originally Posted By: bankmaggot1
Originally Posted By: stlhead
Not very well.

"A new report found that 76% of old growth forests had been logged since World War II, and the remainder would largely disappear within fifteen years at current rates."


A new report by who? The Sierra Club?
Nope. The Interagency Scientific Committee (National Park Service, the Forest Service, the FWS, and the BLM)

Btw trees grow back. Once logged they are replanted like any other crop

We talked about that BS statement. Idiotic.

Originally Posted By: stlhead
"Bush later opposed special laws to help those who would lose jobs due to environmental legislation. "


At least he didn't take away people's living, then replace them with low paying service jobs. Still I'd like to see what else that was attached the legislation before I pass judgement

The timber industry itself took away peoples living. I'll let you look it up for yourself. Also look at Healthy Forests Initiative for an example of Timber industry hogwash.

Originally Posted By: stlhead
"Many small mills were forced to lay off workers, whether due to raw log exports, genuine timber shortages, or increased mechanization. "


Things were going very well in 92 until...

"During the Great Depression, Aberdeen was hit hard, reducing the number of major saw mills from 37 to 9. Mill owners hired Filipino and Jewish immigrants to keep wages low in order to stay in business. The timber industry continued to boom, but by the late 1970s most of the timber had been logged. Most of the mills were closing down by the 1970s and 1980s.

Salmon runs dwindled as spawning grounds were destroyed and rivers filled with silt. The Satsop Nuclear Plant was built in 1978, creating thousands of construction jobs with the promise of permanent employment once the plant was complete. The project was aborted in 1982, doubling the unemployment rate almost overnight. " Don't know your own history huh?

Originally Posted By: stlhead
You should also be upset about private timber land being turned into massive housing developments. (weyerhaeuser/quadrant homes).


Really where was this happening? Wasn't a problem here,my county looks pretty similar to the way it looked in 1980 - except a lot less mills. Maybe you guys should wring your hands and regulate your own backyards and leave mine alone.

I already told you where to look for info....Quadrant homes. Weyerhaeuser has been a land developer for several decades now.

Originally Posted By: stlhead
We were locked out when they started gating logging roads that WE paid for.


You were locked out in most cases because others chose to dump garbage, meth making materials, stole private property, damaged private property, or were presenting a fire hazard. You ever heard of walking or riding a bike around the gates btw? Granted the forest patrol guys might look at you sternly and make you cry but sometimes it's worth the risk.

All I can say to that one is what an idiot. Get on your trike and go for a ride.

How about I pay for a footpath through your front yard? I'll use it whenever I like, leave behind garbage and dangerous chemicals, vandalize your lawn, steal your garden gnome, and trash your private vehicles in the name of "saving the environment". How long will it be before you cut off all access to your yard?

So now you think you own the forests? The more you type the lower your IQ appears.

Originally Posted By: stlhead
If you fish you should be thankful.


I am thankful. Thankful that real men like me cut the trees, built the roads, and maintained the forest so granola munching, starbucks drinking, Seattle metrosexual types like you can enjoy them.

Don't live in Seattle. Most likely been around in our forests long before you were an egg. In my younger days I was a lineman. In college I was a lineman in the summer and worked for Whatcom county parks gaffing up trees, felling them and turning them into firewood. Maybe Termite would be a more fitting than maggot?




no doudt the very best rebuttal to qoutes EVER!!! rofl rofl rofl BM1 you and BigStick know how to bake .
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