i just read the tribal netting schedule for the peninsula rivers and almost puked.how are the sports fisherman supposed to catch any fish with that kind of schedule.who's in charge of this,and who do you call to complain about this one sided fishing program?the schedule is on the wdfw region6 website http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/reg/region6.htm i was thinking the humptulips schedule was bad until i seen the quileute schedule.

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I have no clue who to call or how to voice my opinion, but if you find out please let me know.

When are we going to end this segregation/seperation? I was born here as well as my forefathers....they hunted and fished as needed. Where are my rights to hunt and fish is my families "usual and accustomed areas".

I know and understand what our history in the US is, but it is time to make everyone equal.
Native Americans, as we are suppossed to call em, have what I call a dual citizenship.

I was born here, am I not a "Native"?
They have rights on both sides of the givernmental fence. How can you have a culture/group of people allowed to break state law (under federal regulations) and not allow another group to do the same?

Anyway, I am way off topic and done ranting.
And don't get me started on the trapping issue..

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The term native refers to people that lived here over 1000 years ago. This includes Norsemen that lived in Vinland. If you can trace your roots back to Leif Erickson then maybe you're a real native. Its time these people get the same fishing opportunities as the other natives.

That’s incredible how can the tribe net the river five days a week when the federal court only allowed them 50% of the fish? What if the sportsmen took as many fish as the tribe? Would their be any fish left? What’s really sick is their cleaning house on the wild steelhead.

Send e-mails and letters to the director of WDFW, the Governor, Maria Cantwell.

I sent one to WDFW yesterday, when I find Gov Locke's and Maria Cantwell's address I will send them some e-mail or letters as well.

The Quinaults are netting the Humptulips 6 days a week (Wed-Mon) thru December.

Just like wild fish, if we don't stand up for our allocation of hatchery fish, WDFW will horse trade them away.


WE MUST SPEAK UP NOW!!

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When you see these nets srung across the river
get some hay bales and throw em in. Thet will put a monkey wrench in those basterds program. The indians are pathetic. They dont eat the fish they just sell the eggs to japan. Anyway you look at it what they are doing and have done is an all out assult on our wild steelhead fishery. Ban all indians!!!
Ed

Careful Ed, your ignorance is peaking through. I don't appreciate nor do I agree with the netting schedules, but in all fairness you cannot blame the tribes for exercising there right to fish. I feel that the biggest culprit is special interest groups controlling the spineless WDFG.

Be careful with racial remarks on this board. I practice wild steelhead c&r and don't like the nets any more than you, but I do find coments like yours offensive.





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I always thought that the state should determine how much the tribes make netting steelhead. Add 20% to that figure and pay the tribes that amount not to fish at all. Of course allow a ceremonial fishery if needed, but it would be a true ceremonial fishery (No gill nets). The economics’ of sport fishing would take-off and everyone would be happy.

Boycot the casinos and let them know why. If they are in thes things for the income hit them where it hurts. Have some negative advertising against buying indain caught fish. ask resturants if the salmon is farmed or net caught even if you had planned on eating steak. work the entire food chain the $$ will speak.

thick

I'm starting to hear two different messages on this issue. First being the recent outcry for the preservation of wild steelhead, and the promotion of C&R, which I think is a GREAT IDEA, and I've only taken one nate in the last 10 or so years,
And secondly, some members on this board and anglers that I've talked to on various Washington rivers, are upset about the Indians netting 5 and 6 days a week during the month of Dec, and Jan.
Hears my .02 Indians net heavy early in the season targeting hatchery fish in order to reach their 50% (how fair or unfair this figure may be) thus taking pressure off native runs. what wrong with this? do we want to save our Wild fish?or is price of giving up hatchery runs to high, in my opinion NO. I think this is a very positive step from the tribal fisheries. Ultimately I would like to see if their is some way to create or reallocate money so tribal fisherman could be compensated for not fishing for the commercial sale of all steelhead and wild salmon, or for a reduced catch % My brother and I have been throwing this idea around for years, our fishing partners will contest to this, but people just say it will never work. If any of you have any ideas on this, please post them or E-mail me.
As a closing note I'm going to repeat things you have heard before. If we do nothing, the resource will die, and if we do something now it may or may not payoff but we must try. Please lets get together on this, and quit throwing insults back and forth, OK I'm now off my soap box

Hey good luck to all of you this weekend, should be tough fishing all over with rivers low and clear
FISHNBRAD

There is no racial remarks here just the no bones hard truth it it hurts im sorry but that is the way it is. Me along with thousands of other sportsfisherman and hunters I might add are fed up as hel with what the indains have done to the fish and game populations in this state. They have butcherd it for as long as I can remember,Salmon,wild steelhead,elk herds by the hundreds and god knows what else. THIS IS SICK and its about time people get real pissed off and srart screaming about it. Enough BS is enough. How long does this freagen crap half to go on before people have had enough. Ill tell you It will go on until we are all fishing for white fish cause there's nothing left. People get mad as hell cause its your resource just as much as the indians or anybody else.
Ed

It's seems our destiny. Every once in a while we have to play the blame game. Point the finger, after all it wasn't me who got us in this sorry state. Sure the Humptulips fished 6 days last week. Less then 10 fish were caught. The steelhead were hatchery. But that's boring. We need to find out the facts first. Then report information in a responsible manner, leaving out terms like "ban indians" or "basterds." Who has killed more deer/elk? Tribal or non-tribal. Who has caught more salmon/steelhead? Tribal or non-tribal. Who has logged too close to rivers? Tribal or non-tribal. Who owns the industrial polluters? Tribal or non-tribal. What is the situation with nutrients in the rivers? Will increased nutrients allow the river to support larger escapements? How does ocean survival play a part in run sizes? Find these answers, this will help the resource.

Here we go!!!They call thereselves a sovreign nation but use Government dollors.ha ha what a joke.Potter how do you figure more deer and elk if the population was 50-50 do you think it would be the same.8 elk per native.How about if all of us could put nets in the rivers would you folks like that?If you were looking at it from the other side I doubt you would feel the same but since you get those AMERICAN government dollars you believe its ok.How about the casinos did they have them back when they were so called living off the resources in this country.Its time to start living like the rest of americans its been long enough.If you cant do that then maybe the Government money should stop.

Which tribe allows 8 elk per person? We are allowed 2 elk per household here.

I am an ex commercial fisherman (not by choice),and an avid steelhead fisherman. I've been listening to this argument for over twenty five years now and nothing has changed for the better! It's high time we stopped bickering and pointing fingers, and started doing all we can to work together to save these magnificent fish.We are all to blame in some way, shape or form for the decline of fish populations,if we search for solutions hopfully we can turn it around! Good luck & good fishing

Hey Potter, 10 fish netted in six days last week on the Hump, you have to be on the junk if you expect us to belive that. And about the two Elk per house comment, isn't it true that they can be shot anytime of the year and by any member of the family. So lets say I had Indian rights I could then shoot two Elk for myself, two for all my sisters,A few for my niece, and a coulpe for Grandma, and so on. Any truth to that.

Hey,
Sometimes ignorance is bliss, usually its ignorance. Take off the blinders and look at the big picture. The best runs of Steelhead in the state are managed by Tribal entity's on their land. Our "management" can't even provide us with a C&R season this spring. So tie a pink ribbon on that old spruce tree, I won't be allowed to fish there.

Hey guys,
instead of starting a verbal assault on Letti and the Indians in general maybe we should realize that`s not where the problem really lies, (it contributes sure, along with alot of other issues) but instead maybe we should be asking them for help on managing our own fisheries, (take a look at the Quinault fishery) it is one of the best in the state if not the nation.
Sure there are some Indians who abuse the system set in place but there are also those of us who also abuse the same system just as bad if not worse.
Instead of standing here saying it`s your fault, no it`s your fault crap let`s try and improve the fishery we have left. Just my .02
Tony

great point,rainy city.i wasn't putting the blame on the tribe in any way.i have fished the lower quinault several times.it has a impressive fishery to say the least.the reason why is because their hatchery's are putting a lot of fish back into the system.if we could get the state hatchery's to dump the same amount of fish into the rest of the rivers,their would be enough fish for everyone.but most rivers in g.h don't get those amount of plants to handle the current netting schedule.

Greed and ignorance will pay off in a very bad way in the end. Lets face the truth our wild steelhead runs are diminishing at a rapid pace. The no c-r season is a half a-s bandaid to a much larger problem. It looks grim for future sports fisherman. The problem is people are just not unified enough to work together on much of anything anymore. But we the people do have the power.We keep the wash fish and game employed for god sake. Mismanagment is the name of their game. We all need to ban together and figure out the best way to send the wash fish and game a powerful message that WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Ed

The only way we as Sportsman can make a difference is to speak as one voice,first we bicker amoung our selves and everyone wants to start their own organization,with their buddy's.
We contribute sooo much money to our local and state economy's.....WE can make a difference,this 50-50 thing aint working...my.02......Os
Organize and be heard it's the only way we are going to save the fish.

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Osprey,
I whole heartedly agree. We need to come up with a plan to send these people a serious message NOW! Not after the damage has been done.
Ed

THATS WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT OS,i've sent 2 letters to the wdfw.there e-mail address is.commission@dfw.wa.gov.maybe if we all send them a letter we can get something started towards the better.scotty(fish on!)

Right on Os.....
I was on a secret river yestrday and I guess it was netting day. They had 7 nets in the river. 4 were strung all the way across it and 3 other indians were throughing them in to a hole that 10 people were fishing. That is pure crap.

Mac, I don't do drugs, believe what you want about the catch. No it's not true. Hunting season is not year around and only Tribal members can shoot the deer/elk. Tribal members can get a permit to shot game for those not able to hunt for themselves.

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Thats what he said a tribal member can shoot an elk for his Mother,Father,Sister ,Brother,aunt,uncle,Gramma,Grandpa,Cousin and so on..

As far as the Quinault being being the best fishery in the state or nation and why????Because they net the white mans rivers more!!not only that the government gives them more money if there rivers prtoduce more,RIGHT potter? Wake up guys this will not end until we stand up and say"NO MORE NETS".Do you folks realy believe that 50/50 is the way it is going? or we can all stand back and let the indians take it all away!!Casinos (thats in the treaties )Remember what you forfathers said? They were here years ago right? DONE.TM mad mad:mad

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While I feel that the Indians have dual rights, I believe that we also need to work on the commercial nets..

I have purse seined for herring in the Puget Sound and traweled all around Alaska for various fish. I have seen 300+lb halibut thro, dead king crabs by the ton, and on one very bad occassion, two live tanks (hundreds of thousands of pounds) of dead turbot, thrown back....dead of course.
Not one of these fisheries targeted salmon, but we always managed to get a few in the nets, some were thrown back (dead or alive) but most were kept.

The destruction is massive, not only to the fish and their habitat, but to other sea life like coral and cold water scallops.

The solution? Ban all nets! Every last one!

Farm raised fish will go up in price, but only until they can catch up with the demand and our wild fish will have a fighting chance..

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TIMBERMAN,all your talk is heresay and not facts.you really need to find out the true facts before you talk.lets stick with the issue at hand and not blame people,especially when your not sure what your talking about.send your comments to the government and not 1 person.lets be civil.
scott

Scotty dont tell me when to speak I will do as I please.And maybe you should find out some fact before you open your trap.You prove to me were I was wrong......Thought so you dont know what you are talkin about.Before you go telling someone when to speak maybe you should get your FACTS straight...TM

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You think old growth
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smell the sawdust as
I'm falling one!!!!!

A agree with Scotty. It's well known that I'm not a big fan of tribal netting, however, keep it civil and without the unfounded remarks ... don't want to have to ride into town again

If any of you guys are really interested in salmon and steelhead recovery, I strongly recomend reading "Salmon Without Rivers", by Jim Lichatowitz,(not sure about the spelling).When you're done, you'll be amazed there's any fish left. tread lightly, let go a big fish

Hey TM my brother...I feel you're passion,unfortunutley it's not one persons fault,our Government created these double standards,the tribes are just benefiting from their ignorance and we as voters allowing things to remain as they are.
BTW:TM
I'm not trying to tell you what to say ...you know I wouldn't do that...I just don't want the Sheffif to put you on restiction.

Definition of insanity :to continue to the same things expecting things to change....
ONE VOICE and they will hear us....my.02 Os

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Hey Potter, glad to see you are in in this debate....now, do you honestly think that the american man is held responsibe for the fish and game problems we are having? and that the natives are just living innocently? uh, doubt that....I am not solely putting this on the natives because the state fish and game mgr's definately play a key role in the position we find our selves in today...both native and americans. The netting just needs to stop! both commercial and tribal...if our grand kids are ever going to get to fish this state....what is the answer here gang? personally? we should all fish rod and reel...do you guys realize how many fish there would be year after year....how freakin easy is that? so when you netters are hauling in and knocking all those fish in the head just remember all of us rod and reel guys back on the banks just shaking our heads in discust!