with people these days?? another shooting this time in el paso walmart.. if you don't like whats going on shoot yourself not others!!!

Every day we stray further from the light. We're sick and only getting sicker. I don't know what do to about it, so I just keep on keeping on.

Friend on another board responded with this. I couldn't say it any better.

No fathers in the home.
No belief system at the center of their life.
Mom and dad divorced multiple times.
Single moms are worshipped as hero’s.
Parents hoping that being their kids best friend will work.
Rampant drug and alcohol abuse.
More pills to fix symptoms.
Degenerate Hollywood and their characters as the role model.
Kids are sexualized by porn.
Screens replace creative and productive activities.
Self-centeredness. No real love.

Mix them all together, and then act shocked at what comes out the other side.

More shootings in Dayton. Probably not the last either.

Problems like these are always caused by a tangled web of influences and this is a great list of many of the big ones that would lead a young man to this. However, it is missing the number one influencer which IMO is the internet and the extremism it can normalize and bring onto any screen. Look at this forum for a great example. Would you want a 10 year old boy to read the posts here? Do you think Wanka$$ or Rich G would be a good internet buddy for you kid?

Couldn't have said it any better nick.

Pot meet kettle. I don't know who you are, but you can fvck right on off. The division that you sow by saying one side or another is to blame is exactly part of the reason why our society continues to find itself in this place. It's everyone's fault including yourself ipso facto - you are a part of our society. You are no better than the posters you call out because you are doing the exact same thing - sowing division. Why don't you start with yourself; worry about you and take your own advice to "just be quiet" if you can't own it. That's the good first step you can take to help improve the entire situation.

On the flip side, I'll continue to post how I like. Use my god given 1A right to say whatever needs to be said. Use my god given 2A right to protect myself however I feel like. The onus is on me to do that responsibly and if I do not, suffer the consequences. See how that works? If you don't like that, then that is your problem. It's not anyone else's job to make you feel good about yourself Chief. There are 350+ million individual voices in this country and we are not here to cater to you. This is America Jack and if you don't like how we operate, you are free to leave at anytime. I hope you don't. I hope you stay and help make things even better, but only if you are willing and able to own and police your own bullchit first. If not, GTFO.

Have a nice day Sir.

We always seek to tie things up in nice neat packages. This situation, like most, is pretty complicated. Golddigger's list is accurate as far as it goes, however, there is much more. Our society is incredibly noisy, people have to shout loudly to be heard. The shooters are shouting very loudly. For those that absolve Trump with his racist, misogynistic tweets and statements, I would ask you to look at the Advertising industry - a multi billion dollar industry designed to influence people. Trump has the bully pulpit and he uses it more effectively than any President in my history. Presidents, by their very nature, have a great deal of influence. Not to say that politicians of the other stripe don't try the same thing, they do, but their influence is not as great as the President.

[quote=extremesteelhead] I agree with Breezy, people like Wankster and Rich G are responsible for this./quote]

WRONG. The shooters are responsible for their actions. And as members of the communities we live in,we have a responsibility.

I think one of the main things is parents are not communicating or LISTENING to their kids. That would be number one. Also if these people are in distress were there warning signs? It takes a village. This is really alarming. It's not a right wing left wing issue. I had a friend who had family with him at the garlic festival in Gilroy,they left an hour before the shooting. It's so sad,a 6 year old fkn kid was senselessly murdered. Nobody should have to live in fear. It starts with us not someone else. I don't buy it that the kid's family had "no idea'. He had an instagram account and was posting some crazy sh!t.

As much as we razz each other on here do you honestly think it's out of hate or for entertainment value? Come on man be sensible. Hank is too busy fishing on charter boats for small rockfish and lings to be responsble for what others do,and Rich G is hot on the trail of intergalactic bigfoot creatures who speak to him telepathically to stockpile on silver. Sheesh.

Seriously though,I'm scared for America I truly am.

Uhh. Gee.

You can almost feet the spit as he types frantically

Somebody needs a juicy juice and a nappy poo.

73 people were shot in Chicago this past weekend. Baltimore has a higher homicide rate per 100K than Honduras. Fvcking Honduras! The murder capital of the world!

But the shooters and victims were black and brown, so they obviously don't count. I guess the news must be racist, cuz' they only seem to report on white shooters that use scary weapons of war.

We are so fvcked and here you sit wanting to pick sides and contribute vivitrol. Splendid.

Using large cities to ‘splain away politicly motivated mass shootings is dumb. Large cities have unique issues and the killings a unique nature very different from mass murder with manifesto. Ghettos represent generations of dysfunction.

Everything is getting extreme. Certain types people and often young naive people of all beliefs are now being pushed more frequently to the trigger point. More of these people exist due to the breakdown of values and the list posted on page 1.

What are we going to do about it?

Thanks for proving my point. Don't tell me - tell it to the people of Chicago and Baltimore et al. I think we spend WAY too much time talking about the shooters. F'em all regardless of where they come from or what they intended. Evil is evil - I don't rank it in levels or categorize it and think it's a waste of time to try.

A murdered dead person is a murdered dead person. If you could ask them and they could answer, I'm pretty certain they wouldn't care how they were actually murdered or by whom.

All of the items on page 1 plus about 50 others would be a good start. The best start is acknowledging that evil can come from anywhere and from all of us. It doesn't know race, creed, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual preference, ability, class structure etc and no single user group is immune.

I think understanding, accepting and coming to terms with that is what could potentially bring everyone together on this issue. Nothing will get done unless the division goes away first. IMO.

"When a white supremacist gunman killed more than 20 people at an El Paso, Texas, Walmart on Saturday, he claimed a dubious honor for his cause: Right-wing terrorism is once again responsible for more deaths on U.S. soil (107) than jihadi terrorism (104) since 9/11, according to data collected by New America. (In fact, right-wing violence had been responsible for more deaths for most of this period, but jihadis had been responsible for more since the Pulse nightclub shooting of 2016.)

Patrick Crusius’ attack itself was especially bloody, the most lethal right-wing attack since Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, which killed 168 people. But the El Paso killings were a continuation of a bloody series of attacks in recent years, including the Tree of Life synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh in 2018 and the 2015 attack on a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina, which killed 11 and nine people, respectively. And such high-profile attacks are few compared with regular incidents of low-level harassment and violence against blacks, Jews, Muslims, and other minorities."

Right Wing Terrorism

Lil Yummy

Mod Power Activated!

"I'll continue to moderate how I like. Use my Bob Given 1A Board Admin right to moderator whatever is said by you knuckleheads."



But hey, carry on.

Bravo! Spot on.

I heard another opinion online that I happen to 100% agree with...

"There is not a pile of warm bodies that is high enough for our politicians to stand on, which will convince me that only government should be armed. Especially one that is being run by "Nazis"."

The Right doesn't have a monopoly on the 2nd. Any citizen can take advantage of their God given natural rights. If the current admin is to be considered fascist and a bunch of Nazi's seeking to destroy America, one would THINK that the our "Resisting" brethren would be lined up out the door down at their local sporting goods store.

But THINKING wasn't invited to the party here. Only feelings matter in America now.

What? Me? I only post about kittens and puppies and stuff.

What is wrong in America these days is making excuses for these shooters.



The FVCKTARD WHISPER has spoken.
Quietly of course.



All you bitches can FVCK OFF!!!!

I like your style..
You're correct, now a days we only get excuses and not answers for our concerns or anything for that matter.
Oh yeah, Fvck off.

Hank the garbage fish turns away from the bait...............

lol

To be fair, it is pretty good bait. It's a bit on the hot side, but it'll fish. I damned near swallowed a piece myself.

Oh, yes - it has a nice roll.

Probably used one of those miter box dammits.

So do them proud boys yeeeeeehawwwww

Is a steehead extremely hardheaded?

Yep, and I've also heard that the White Nationalists high up in the military have been shipping brown and black people directly to Area 51. There could easily be gas chambers there; toss the bodies in the deep holes left after underground nuclear tests, and nobody would be the wiser.

could bodies replace fossil fuels?

It seems that there is a common thread among many murders. Whether it is a white guy shooting up a Walmart, a black kid in Chicago doing a driveby, or a husband that wipes out his family. First, they are almost all male. Second, they all have a lack of hope in the future. For the white supremist he believes his future is going to be destroyed by the influx of foreigners or the growth of minority groups, leaving him no place. The young black kid believes that the system is against him and leaves him no future worth pursuing. Usually the husband is unemployed, has mental problems or has his wife leaving and taking his family away. Leaving aside the husband, the two other groups are a direct result of today's politics. For the Democrats, its all about white privilege and how prejudice and hate are every where. For Republicans it is about how the system is collapsing, there are too many illegals stealing our jobs, etc. Most of us toss this rhetoric aside, living our lives. But for some young men, coming up hearing this, and living in a place of despair, it becomes truth. Usually a strong economy will push this down. Why not now? I believe it falls wholly on the wave of politics in the Country. Every generation will have those who are struggling, do not fit in, are mentally ill, or have limited options based off their parents' decisions. Todays politicians and media live off these people. Rather than trying to give them hope, they are flooded with reasons of why they will fail and how nothing is their fault. At the same time, they are over whelmed with the wealth and success of others. Yes, Trump is to blame, so is Nancy Pelosi, the media, the schools, and everyone else who fails to see the beauty and opportunity available in this great country.

Yeah. His ideology hadn't changed in years.

It took a president acting like a fuckin' idiot and shooting off his stupid mouth to give him the gumption to actually shoot people, though.

Brilliant defense - if you're a fuckin' retard. Which you are.

Krijack, that is probably the most cogent analysis I have read!

I agree that Krijack hit most of the points.

He did miss drugging boys starting at 10-12 instead of letting Dad slap the [Bleeeeep!] out of them when they act like little sh!ts.

Yeah but you can get a great hot dog there and go see a cubs game.

Welchster should vacation in Chicago.

Seems like a nice place.

My dad didn't offer me any trip.

Do you have to lie about everything?