#1020447 - 01/21/20 05:49 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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River Nutrients
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Fishing in saltwater always trumps freshwater.
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#1020449 - 01/21/20 06:46 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: Carcassman]
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Juvenile at Sea
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The salt is where the $$$$ is.
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#1020452 - 01/22/20 12:06 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: darth baiter]
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Juvenile at Sea
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At least until those saltwater fisheries dry up too. Then WDFW will be scratching their heads wondering why they can't sell a fishing license. They better double down on razor clam digs while they can.
Edited by Brent K (01/22/20 12:24 AM)
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#1020455 - 01/22/20 06:48 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: Brent K]
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Repeat Spawner
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At least until those saltwater fisheries dry up too. Then WDFW will be scratching their heads wondering why they can't sell a fishing license. They better double down on razor clam digs while they can. I imagine that will happen one day. Then in a fluke, an individual run on a specific river will have a robust return in which an in river opener would occur. Then the river fishery will have trumped the salt.
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#1020456 - 01/22/20 07:42 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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River Nutrients
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Bycatch of Chinook will keep it closed.
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#1020460 - 01/22/20 09:11 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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WDFW is in the reality show business now.
Get current folks.
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#1020463 - 01/22/20 09:50 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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WDFW is in the reality show business now.
Get current folks. Actually, I believe the correct way to put it is: WDFW is in the Unreality show business... Truly, they spend an awful lot of time, money and effort putting on the Public NOF Meeting shows!
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#1027328 - 03/31/20 01:44 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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This is the reference I found...
"As the ice sheet retreated from its maximum position, meltwater drained into the axis of the Lowland but could not follow what would become its modern drainage path north and west out the Strait of Juan de Fuca, because the strait was still filled with many hundreds or even thousands of meters of ice. Instead, meltwater was diverted south along the margins of the retreating ice sheet, coalescing into ever-broader rivers. Channels and locally broad plains of the Vashon recessional outwash now form much of the landscape in these ice-marginal locales and recessional river valleys. These landforms can be traced downstream to their glacial-age spillway out of the Puget Lowland, south through the valley of Black Lake near Olympia and then along the valley of the modern Chehalis River west to the Pacific Ocean." Global warming is what drove the changes described above. A real life example was recently witnessed in real time in Alaska/Yukon. A litle less water makes its way 3000 miles to the Bering Sea. Instead it drains due south to a much more direct and expeditious path to the ocean. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017...-climate-changeNot sure how I could have missed it.
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#1027369 - 03/31/20 07:03 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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River Nutrients
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The drainages and changes just since the last glacial maximum are very interesting and very different from today.
Not sure how long ago but I think that at one time Maui, Kahoolawe, Lanai, and Molokai we had one island; Maui Nui.
The recent changes are rather amazing.
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#1027435 - 04/01/20 06:51 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Interesting thing about the genetics of SE-AK transboundary chinook populations... Stikine and Taku have genetic concordance with Yukon kings as their closest relatives. How could this possibly be the case when they enter the ocean a world apart?
This modern-day river piracy on the Alsek is evidence that perhaps water flowing into the Stikine and Taku at one time drained northward thru BC and the Yukon Territory into the Yukon River, coursing 3000 miles thru the entirety of interior Alaska to drain into the Bering Sea.
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#1027438 - 04/01/20 07:39 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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Another aspect might be timing. There are two summer/early pink runs in PS; Nooksack and Dungeness. They probably survived the glaciation in the same refugia while the other pinks may have survived somewhere else. But, like you note, river capture helps.
The Fraser used to come down the Columbia. It would be really interesting to see how all the rivers on the Pacific Coast moved during that glaciation and its retreat.
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#1061355 - 01/13/23 04:52 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Global warming is what drove the changes described above. A real life example was recently witnessed in real time in Alaska/Yukon. A little less water makes its way 3000 miles to the Bering Sea. Instead it drains due south to a much more direct and expeditious path to the ocean. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017...-climate-changeNot sure how I could have missed it. Climate change caused the high elevation Slims River to be diverted in 2016 to a new outlet to the ocean, bypassing 3000 miles of its original outflow northward and westward in a sweeping arc thru the Alaska Interior via the Yukon into the Bering Sea... now flowing directly southward into the Gulf of Alaska via the Alsek River. In yet another hydromorphologic chapter of climate change, the lower mainstem Alsek is now poised to be diverted to a new outlet to the sea as the coastal Grand Plateau Glacier continues its progressive retreat. https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/will-dry-bay-lose-the-alsek-river.htm
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#1061356 - 01/13/23 05:00 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: Geoduck]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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You can't solve this problem by fisheries reductions in areas where a minority of the fish are caught. Cuts in AK and BC will be necessary to make a difference, too bad the politics will never let that happen. . . We're as close to making that a reality as we've ever been!
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#1061357 - 01/13/23 05:16 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: Salmo g.]
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The lengths we'll go to to protect mixed stock salmon fishing in WA, the least conservative style of stock management. But that's OK, we'll save Stilly Chinook by closing the summer gamefish season for steelhead and cutthroat that are pursued mainly by fly fishermen. Gee, the Stilly has been closed to fishing for Chinook my entire life, which is quite a while. If that was gonna' save Stilly Chinook, it shoulda' worked by now. Gee... I wonder what's in store for 2023?
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#1061358 - 01/13/23 06:24 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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#1061361 - 01/14/23 09:08 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: Carcassman]
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You natering nabob of negativism! (Remember that one?)
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#1061362 - 01/14/23 02:11 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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I remember Nattering Nabob of Novelty. While I can't remember who that was in reference too, it might have been an organization I belong to. E Clampus Vitus. "In vino veritas".
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#1061363 - 01/14/23 02:17 PM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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Salmo
I actually searched for the sources.
Negativism came from that very ethical VP Spiro T Agnew. I would prefer not be be associated in any way, shape, or form with him.
Novelty came from the Leland Stanford Jr. University Marching Band. Now that's an organization to be mentioned in in the same breath with.
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#1061367 - 01/15/23 10:37 AM
Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP
[Re: bushbear]
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River Nutrients
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Do the Stilly's have a Rez? Maybe they could open on-Rez to recs for CT (with decent Chinook protections) and let WDFW twist in the winds for not getting the river open.
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