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#1023195 - 02/29/20 12:29 PM Re: Corona Virus ***** [Re: NickD90]
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Just don't go outside? I don't mean to be snarky here, but yeah...just don't leave the house. Don't take deliveries either. Eat your current cupboards empty. Leave all rice, pasta and dried beans until the very end.

*Disclaimer: take the following diatribe for what you will. I post it knowing that I'm going to be shreaded here for it, but it's just the facts of the moment as best as I know them. I only give (1) real suggestion as I Rich G the chit outta this post. I'm leaving politics out of it on purpose. If this helps one person in anyway, great. If not, that's ok too and to each his own.

Here we go...

Most Americans have more food than they think at home and eat more than they really need to survive. Humans can typically go 30 days or so without food and 7 or so without water. 40% are obese and a little fasting wouldn't hurt. If you have pets, buy LOTS of pet food NOW. In an emergency situation, they simply can't be allowed to eat human food rations. Additionally, pet food by federal law has to be 100% human consumable for this very situation. It's gross, but a 50 pound bag of cheap kibble will last a LONG time. It's super high in fat and pretty digestible. Most pet food comes out of China. For cost reasons, a good portion of our meat products (chicken, pork specifically) are SENT to China from the US for processing and then the finished product is sent back to the US. Think about that. I'll touch on this below.

Most people don't get to telecommute or are retired - they have to go to work to earn a living. 1 out of every 10 US jobs is somehow tied to the travel industry which is now dead. Small businesses, travel, food & hospitality, entertainment events make up most American jobs. Think of the amount of federal & state government employees there are and what essential services they provide. Think of the healthcare industry jobs and workers. Tech companies are stopping all non-essential travel IN the US, not just overseas. I work at one of the largest multi-national companies in the world. I'm privy to some of what they are already thinking and planning for behind the scenes (disaster recovery). I received the work email yesterday telling all employees who are sick or have family members who are sick, to stay home and self quarantine for the next 21 days. Everyone is now allowed to WFH if they want just outta precaution. All non-essential travel is not allowed world-wide without VP authorization (good luck). At any given moment, this company normally has ~25,000 employees traveling WW. That stopped yesterday.

The global supply chain (my industry) is grinding to a halt. The bottom is falling out of quarterly earnings. Longbeach, our #1 products port out of Asia is dead and Longshoremen are going home. Big tankers are just sitting offshore empty with no plans to go back (they go back loaded with raw materials to make new products). It takes 12 - 16 weeks for the typical product to arrive from China via Ocean freight. Guangdong Port is dead. They're actually sailing empty tankers back home. More tankers with replacement products are NOT coming. Amazon is pulling products left and right due to unavailability. There's already panic buying at Costco and Sam's Club. Freeze dried food has tripled in price over night. Toilet paper going like hotcakes (see Hawaii). 80% of our medication comes from China. Chinese Lunar New Year is a month long celebration and ALL work stops (product inventories were already low + lingering trade war effects) - then this hit. News is that China manufacturers are in such bad shape, they're FORCING people to go back to work to fill those tankers up. China outbreak #2 is about to happen.

SOME people think it should all be about "the people" and "screw these companies" BUT these companies make the things for people to live and survive in a global economy. You simply must have factories open to make food and wages in order to buy said food with those said wages to survive. The global supply chain is like an aircraft carrier. It just can't simply turn around on a dime back into positive territory overnight. Product supply is going to take MONTHS to recover if not MUCH longer and it really hasn't even "hit" the world and America yet in pandemic form. In other words, what we have here now is about all we are going to have here for sometime.

The Fed's have more or less "nationalized" some health safety equipment / PPE manufactures (masks, gloves, suits). They've "moved" themselves to the very top of open PO's.

I have not factored Mexico - which in and of itself is a powder keg of epic pandemic proportions for the obvious reasons. We get a ton of fresh food and products of all types from Mexico. A "run for the boarder" for US healthcare indeed.

The old rule of thumb is 72 hours. Our modern society is about 72 hours away from pure anarchy at any given moment. 72 hours is 9 standard meals which everyone in America believes just magically happens and is guaranteed as a right.

The global equation: Dead economy + dead companies + dead jobs = NO FOOD & HEALTH CARE. No food + no healthcare = anarchy.

Whether you believe in any of this or not, it no longer matters. Others do and are taking their own appropriate steps. Only one person in the US has died and it's already like this. It hasn't even hit yet! The cat is outta the bag regardless if it ever really spreads here. The next 2 weeks will tell the tale here in the states if it spreads or not. Two week's from this next Tuesday.

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#1023199 - 02/29/20 01:20 PM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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And...just like that WA State declares a state of emergency. The twitter videos of Costco runs are crazy.
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#1023203 - 02/29/20 02:38 PM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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#1023219 - 02/29/20 11:16 PM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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Wash your hands and use plentiful amounts of hand sanitizer.
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#1023220 - 03/01/20 05:43 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: Steelheadman]
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Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
Wash your hands and use plentiful amounts of hand sanitizer.


The average human touches their face like 350 - 400 times a day or something like that. Washing your hands is key. Keep your cell phone clean too. I saw a study yesterday that said it can live on the screen of your cell phone for 96 hours.

The Kirkland and Redmond firefighters who responded to that infected nursing home are self-quarantining. The particular strain is the same strain from the 1st US case (Snoho) back in mid-January. They are thinking its been all around the PS area for 6 weeks now.

Folks were lined up in Albertson's in Snoho last night. Hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol is pretty much non-existent on most shelves now. After yesterday's chitshow of news, today is going to be crazy around here.

I'm very well stocked up here at the house, but I was short on dog food and needed to pick some up, so I swung by my local feed store on HWY 9. The kid behind the counter said it's been a steady stream of customers buying pet food all day long. I make & freeze my own dog food from venison scraps when I can, so between that stock and the bags I bought yesterday, the pups are set for a while.

I'm not a fan of panic buying for the obvious reasons, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Shelves are going to be empty into April is my guess.
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#1023221 - 03/01/20 06:56 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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rofl

Well, NapD, I think you are doing a great job in preventing yourself from getting the CoronaWithLime disease.....1) stay away from all women.....check....2) stockpile hand sanitizer.......check.......3) Keep winning at the Poles.....check
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#1023222 - 03/01/20 07:25 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: Bent Metal]
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Originally Posted By: Bent Metal
rofl

Well, NapD, I think you are doing a great job in preventing yourself from getting the CoronaWithLime disease.....1) stay away from all women.....check....2) stockpile hand sanitizer.......check.......3) Keep winning at the Poles.....check


Based on your recent dry spell, dont forget to stockpile lube.
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#1023224 - 03/01/20 07:30 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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The hand sanitizer is the lube. Duh. grin

Funny enough, I have zero hand sanitizer or any of that crap. Why? rofl
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#1023225 - 03/01/20 07:37 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
The hand sanitizer is the lube. Duh. grin

Funny enough, I have zero hand sanitizer or any of that crap. Why? rofl



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#1023242 - 03/01/20 10:01 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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I had a low grade virus all of January and much of February so I may very well have already been exposed to this. Especially considering I share an elevator with 1000-3000 tourists a day, most from Asia. Even got a rash which got me to the doc. “Yep. You’ve got a virus.” If I haven’t already been exposed I soon will.

Most of my water consumption comes from the Lynnwood Artesian well. Stopped by there at 5:30 this morning on way to work and there was at least an hour wait which has never happened before on a Sunday morning.

Wig wig wig=buy buy buy. Moved most everything into conservative funds about a year ago. Didn’t move anything I already own (yet) but did increase my future contributions from 15% gross to 30% into market funds. As long as market recovers by Sept ‘21 I’ll be golden!

Only real question I’ve got is if I die from this do I blame Trump or Inslee??
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#1023244 - 03/01/20 10:16 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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you probably did, us as well, i got sick on the 1st of January and was extremely sick for about 2 weeks...

one of the research teams in China has been saying that it could have started spreading in November of last year... WHO said that the first person showed symptoms on the 8th of December, which going through the incubation period, would put it in November...

what i want to know, with all the technology everyone has, missiles, nukes, etc, why are countries creating bioweapons at all in the first place?
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#1023246 - 03/01/20 10:30 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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Please cite a peer reviewed, reputable medical journal study which confirms this is a bioweapon or STFU. Please do not cite some bullchit you read off of Zerohedge, 4Chan or Reddit.

Your answer? Overt v. covert. Panic. Financial market instability. Difficulty in tracing sources and pinning responsibility. Easier to hide, transit & deploy. Elimination of an enemy without having to fire a shot. Arms embargos. It's cheap and relatively easy compared to dev'ing ICBM's. Programs can be easily hidden from prying eyes. There are more medical experts than weapons experts (access to education, universities).
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#1023250 - 03/01/20 10:40 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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i dont go on 4chan, or Reddit, and never read Zerohedge, sounds like a low grade trust fund...

the only lab in China that is able to handle coronaviruses, is located.....................


in Wuhan....

the top Army researcher of coronaviruses was also dispatched to Wuhan right after it was known...

China also accidentally leaked out the SARS virus in 2003 from a lab...

also, in Iran, the VP said that the casualties are horrific, one number i read was over 20k, she said that the "graveyards dont lie"... but the BBC said the number is 200... so whos lying?

almost makes you wonder what Solemani was doing in Iraq, you know the ME countries like using [Bleeeeep!] like Anthrax and gasses and sh!t....
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#1023252 - 03/01/20 10:46 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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#1023255 - 03/01/20 10:53 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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Has potential is not "was developed specifically as a bioweapon". I know the reports coming out of China & Wuhan. I know some reports are saying this is manmade, but at this point, we simply do not have enough facts to really say anything with any real level of confidence. It's China. They lie as a national pastime, which is what's got us in this mess in the first place.

I get what you are saying in principle and it wouldn't shock me if it was bioengineered, I just wouldn't go there just yet until more is truly known. That's all.
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#1023258 - 03/01/20 10:58 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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go down to Christopher Diederichs comment, download the PDF. files on the bottom of his link, and read them...

he posted them on the 2nd of Feb, so obviously the research was done well before...

yes they are not peer reviewed (as of his post), but research is research....


this is his comment...


I found 2 publications that support the hypothesis that 2019-nCoV is a Bio weapon.
1. The 2019-nCoV contains 4 insertions into the spike glycoprotein (S) that are not present in other corona viruses. These inserts share sequence similarities to those in the HIV-1 gp120. These inserts seem to have a high density of positively charged residues, rendering the virus more infectious due to higher cell surface interaction.
2. The tropism of the virus seems to be higher towards Asians as compared to white and African American people due to elevated ACE2-receptor expressing cell ratio in the lungs.
The attached papers are not published yet and need to be peer reviewed.


read them, its interesting...
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#1023259 - 03/01/20 11:03 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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oh, there is an article in there that counters it, and he is a PHD holder...

but, he says that it comes from bats, which i showed up there it does, and said it came from the seafood market....

why would they be selling bats at a seafood market?

the Virology lab is right next to that market, which makes more sense of being leaked out of there, than a bat sold where fish is sold....

but, there were people from that lab that got caught selling testing animals, which would be leaking it from the lab....
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#1023262 - 03/01/20 11:07 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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you clearly didnt read them, so STFU Jake...
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#1023263 - 03/01/20 11:09 AM Re: Corona Virus [Re: NickD90]
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oh its not, why is it called the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China then?

rofl
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