Why is it Republicans were so outraged when 4 people died in a embassy attack, but now tens of thousands are dying and the reaction seems to be, fvck um we need to reopen the country.
These same republicans advocate to over turn RvW, because unborn life is precious.
But now in the middle of a pandemic they favor the retroactive abortion option.

Been giving this some thought lately and have come to this conclusion.

It seems that *generally* educated, alleged intelligent types have risen to the ranks of power over the years, almost exclusively lawyers and professional politicians who once they have that power use it to enhance their ego's and pockets more than our country, causing disillusionment from those that feel left behind by these educated, alleged intelligent types that have been in power for so many years (both Dem and Repub), so... along comes time for a change, a vulgar, uneducated, unintelligent, pushy, boorish, loud, crass, petty, non lawyer, non politician comes along that they feel will represent their life view and needs more than previous leaders have.
All those other battle cries are just noise, none of it really matters to them, it's all just excuses to justify putting a simpleton in power who doesn't have the intelligence or articulation to make them feel as stupid as they always have.

This.

He may be ignorant, loud, destructive, rude, belligerent, and vulgar...but so is about 30% of our country, and he is their guy. The other 10% who support him are just using the ignorant for their own edification, as they always have.

Fish on...

Todd

It's not that simple Illahee.

Lives and livelyhoods. Neither of them are much good without the other. There has to be the appropriate level of balance to this. You can't over protect and keep things locked down too long or you run the risk of putting millions into poverty & homelessness, which can and does kill far more in a year than this virus. You can't under protect and go wild with reckless abandon or we'll all die sooner rather than later.

Balance, balance, balance....

Or, shockingly...those "job creators" don't create anything without workers, and they need their workers back.

That's why these "grass roots" protests are organized by Koch Industries, who seems to be at the "grass roots" level of every right wing "grass roots" campaign.

Not to mention that those "job creators" are also tired of paying unemployment to people trying to not die. Opening the economy means people must go back to work, or they don't get to eat.

Fish on...

Todd

LOL

As I said before...the right wingnuts were right, there are Death Panels, and apparently Nick would like a seat on one so he can be the decider over who and how many get to die, you know, as balance.

Donald Trump is a failure in every single measurable metric, and lies directly in the face of all Americans, every day, including all of his followers...and all but the very most stupid among them know it, and just flat out don't mind.

He is there guy...pathological liar, philanderer, admitted sexual predator, who attacks the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments, explicitly, all the while embarrassing our country on a grand global scale, every day...but he is their guy, and they just let it slide, and even worse, revel in it.

Fish on...

Todd

No not really and I find no enjoyment out of any of it. I believe wanting proper balance is the appropriate response here - as moving to far in any direction would cause more harm than good. It is not a situation I would want to try resolving (damned if do - damned if don't).

I did just go shopping at the pragmatism store, so I'm fully stocked up. You won't find any Trump ballwashing here, so you'll have to take that TDS driveway bait elsewhere.

Wasn't referring to you as a Trump Cult Member, just as a Death Panel jurist

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Todd

Well...I could do that. It might be fun (by "might", I mean it would). Is it a paying gig? Do they provide parking validation and snacks? Any chance I can get put on the panel that oversees CU Buffs fans?

I do have a great "Caesar Thumb" and I can see it pointing down most of the time. Especially for these idiot lockdown protestors.

Well said!

I ask you this question, who should decide if they choose to work, shop, or get a haircut, you or big brother?

I don't think it's that difficult. The right of "they" to do whatever "they" please stops at "their" right to contaminate or infect another, which is zero. Therefore, to the extent "they" can do whatever "they" want without harming another person, then carry on. And under Todd's stupidity should hurt rule, which I whole heartedly support, if "they" infect another person, then "they" should be struck the fvck down, hard, and dead. Carry on.

After SG's answer, I must ask you to answer to your own question, please.

O.K., If I wanted to get a haircut, I might drive to a barber shop and if it is not open that should be the proprietors decision, not Jay Inslee's. Understand that I did not make him open and he did not make me come to him. And unlike many government employees he is not getting paid.

'Flattening the curve' does not necessarily 'save lives' what it does do is help keep our health care system from becoming overburdened, if that system did become overburdened then lives could be lost due to inadequate care. Lives could also be saved if new treatments were developed during the extended timeline. Our healthcare system is not currently even close to being overburdened.

I realize that CV19 is a serious virus and I take seriously. I choose to be very carefull
but I do not need to be forced to I choose to limit my social contacts and not one person has chased me down to breath on me or make me shake their hand.

I seems to me that liberals are often willing to give up their and my decisions/rights to government. I not sure of why that is the case but I have noticed that most government employees/pensioners that I know are liberals and very few are conservatives. $$$$$$$$$ ?

Hopefully you will find the answer to your question above Grasshopper.

Or perhaps liberals are just smarter, choosing to listen to science over politicians.

Times many millions.

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Todd

Oh yes, liberals are so smart that they can listen to science.

The fact is that liberals like to use science to justify their agenda when they can, they use science the same way that conservatives do, just a bit more liberally.

What is crazy is that this Covid situation has become so politicized. I mean why does it appear that those people protesting temporary closures are trumpers and otherwise conservatives? It makes no sense. This virus can kill people regardless of their political party.

I basically agree with you.

However I believe it to be a fact that many liberals actually hate Trump. I am conservative and I don't much like the man.

And liberals seem to have more faith in government more than conservatives do and conservatives have more distrust in government than liberals do.

My parents are/were (RIP, Dad) conservatives and registered republicans and my republican parents hate/hated trump and his buffoonery and what they see as his betrayal to the very foundations of America.

Funny thing, it was the liberals who distrusted the gov't most in the 60s-70s. I trust very few politicians in D.C.

For what it is worth, I basically agree with you and with your parents. Trump does act like and appear to be a buffoon much to often, yet he is closer to representing my values than Hillary was and God forbid than Bernie is.

Ya that Bernie and his socialism, not in my America, right?

The problem for me with this complicated situation is that I greatly prefer personal autonomy is most things, but that's heavily weighted towards things that don't affect others, in health, safety, or money.

Want to smoke two packs a day? Knock yourself out...just make sure you can afford to pay for your own cancer treatments, or pay extra-high insurance premiums, so we don't pay for your bad behavior.

That pretty much applies to all drug use, and most social actions.

The problem is when someone's "freedom" runs into someone else's health or safety...I tend to go with the person whose health or safety is being threatened.

Honestly, if you are stupid enough to think this is anywhere from "just the flu" to a conspiracy cooked up by the Deep State to discredit Our Lord & Savior Donald Trump, then I think you should have every right to catch it, and God willing, die horribly...but...

You don't get medical care unless you pay out of pocket, and there is a space left for you after all the non-idiots get their medical care.

You don't get to go anywhere, or act in any way, that exposes innocent people to death from your stupid behavior.

Unfortunately those useful idiots that show up at Koch Industry's protests don't want to adhere to any social responsibility...they want the "freedom" to threaten other people with their stupidity...both directly by getting sick and infecting others, and indirectly by sucking up medical care that, frankly, they don't deserve.

In a perfect world people wouldn't be that stupid, but not only are half the people of below average intelligence, those that attend those protests are the bottom of that bottom half.

So here we are. When does their freedom to be ignorant fools run into someone else's freedom to be free from their stupidity?

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Todd

The fact is you are seldom if ever honest.

I would never try to make you do anything, I am conservative in my values. As far as I am concerned you may do as you please as long as you do not inhibit me because "I believe that that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuitof Happiness".

I also believe that the current situation makes it apparent how many sheep are in the field.

“Liberals” aren’t even truly liberal. They’re leftist whack jobs that are offensive to people like me who are a more classical liberal. They hijacked the word to describe themselves in a way that makes them sound good. Being liberal means being free, unrestrained, not bound by authoritarianism, based on the principles of liberalism. How on earth is that consistent with ANY leftist ideology?

What it boils down to is that a lot of people have faith in government to do everything and solve every problem. Government for the most part does a pretty poor job at doing most things. Some people trust and believe in government for everything, and some people don’t trust government and believe they should do little to nothing.

Throughout history, Pandemic’s and outbreaks have been managed by doctors. This covid-19 situation is being managed by politicians. The republicans and democrats are both to blame. Government has no right to tell people they can’t choose to freely gather or conduct business. Having freedom comes with assessing and taking your own risks. If you are worried about getting sick, stay home.

I think many independents and centrists get labeled liberal because wingnuts have their heads up their asses.

I think they get they're leaning more right as of late because of all the woke SJW Dumfuks..

Thank you for taking the time to give a mostly reasonable answer, the only issue is the fact that both you and I are smart enough to take this seriously and take appropriate measures to protect ourselves and others, now what about those (mostly conservatives) that aren't...and don't?

I have less use for the government than most, yet I have even less use for people who are too stupid self police themselves in this lose lose situation.

This.

Beware of this new breed of sheep wearing wolves clothing.