On a separate note, logged in and looked at my WA special permit points. Have the following:

11 Buck Deer
10 Quality Deer
10 Second deer
12 Quality Elk
12 Cow Elk
12 Bull Elk

+1 points to the line up for the 2021 applications, this state is sort of a bunk deal in how they draw without much weighted preference.

What are some of your favorite east side hunts to put in for?

Plans for 2021 is to cancel for the annual Eastern Oregon Archery Elk hunt and do the WA Westside smoke pole for elk. Seems to see the least amount of pressure and still have bulls to work..

But for the deer, what hunts?? Hunted washtukna OTC last year on some private propertry and it was fun but didn't get the chance at a good buck as we expected..

Keith

Preference points are weighted by squaring your points. I.e. a hunter with 10 points has a 100 times greater chance of drawing over another hunter with only 1 point. The problem isn't so much the system as it is the reduction of available permits. There are a LOT of guys sitting on 20+ pts fighting for a handful of tags. Something like 800+ moose hunters have 20+ points, but they give out very few tags. AKA point creep.

It's only going to get worse as more people move into the state and more people adopt the sport. This past year with Covid has seen a huge increase in hunting interest across the country. Folks want to be able to provide for themselves. Thanks Joe Rogan

And you wonder why nobody likes you beef.

Pot kettle black.

You lectured Nathan on negativity... look at yourself brah.

You been steelhead fishing lately? Post up some pics.

You’re a fuking idiot lol.

Thanks guys! We got another cow out of the herd this morning, and that pressure blew them out of the country for a while, (and I'm glad). I'm d-u-n with big game hunting for 2020 unless another friend stops by the house and needs help on a local tag.

Knick-D is spot on about the whole "survive off the land chit", and unfortunately WA is the 2nd smallest Western State, with the 2nd Most Population! All of our/my complaints of "too many people", "not enough area", "not from around here", yadda/etc, is expounding exponentially! I've really been working on my normal "prick-ness", as even my kid asked me how long does it take to turn into an outright a-hole, like I am? I told him that people and life just wear you out in the const world, and I've just decided that it's better to just be that way 24-7! Well...prob not the best way to live and keep friends/family, so I've been working on not being a total prick...

Dam near every time I'm in town (Wenatchee) I meet someone new who has "just moved here from_____" and better than 50% it's not West of the Mtns either, which really surprises me. A lot of folks from Ca, but most from the Midwest or even further East. SO (I'm working on not being a prick, right) I'm very friendly, and ask them what brought them here while making a joke that it was probably a car, as that lightens the mood! But I am sincerely interested in people's stories, and why they decided to move 500-2500 miles to where I've lived my entire life? Plus, I may connect a name to someone they might work with, as quite a few folks move here for work opportunities as well as retirement.

"Quality of life, the outdoor opportunities, the ability to own our own property, great place to raise my family, just look around-who wouldn't want to live here..." are the main reasons that I hear why folks move to where I live. So...after I get their stories and it's obvious they're settled and very happy with their new life decisions, they generally ask about my history. This is neither here/there now, but I will emphasize ONE THING to everyone I meet; which is that before you form an opinion of hunters and folks who target shoot...please remember that you chose to move into this area, which has a rich history of Outdoor Sports including shooting and hunting. So please, don't form an opinion before you have the proper information, as most of these sportsmen will be the same folks you will be seeing on the hiking trails, kayaking, skiing, gym, local sporting events, school functions, pubs, etc. Maybe it's my prickness attitude thinking I can even mention that in a first-time conversation (?), but I've yet to have anyone tell me to F.O. I just care too much for what we as hunters have already lost; which is access and critters. Maybe these folks are just polite too. LOL

Anyway, back on track for current preference points, I won't list the doe/cow etc:
Quality Deer -1
Buck Deer -2
Quality Elk -13
Bull Elk -12
Goat (somehow missed a year?)-21
Sheep -22

The boy is sitting at 7pts across the board for the majors:
Bull Moose-7
Quality Deer -7
Buck Deer -2
Quality Elk -7
Bull Elk -7
Goat -7
Sheep -7

I think I'd be pretty good at elk/deer hunting if I could shoot out of a boat seat.

I'm still looking to see where Noah parked his damn boat......gotta be a seat in that thing for me!

Out of a seat in an anchored boat, perhaps.