#1041382 - 11/05/20 12:40 PM
Portland Police Department
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BUCK NASTY!!
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Can anyone provide any logic behind this?  Keith
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#1041384 - 11/05/20 12:43 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Spawner
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You're commenting on logic?
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#1041385 - 11/05/20 12:43 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Pass the needle my friend.
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#1041391 - 11/05/20 12:51 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/22/05
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Oregon just decriminalized the possession of small amounts of any drug.
That might impact where they are spending money and man power.
But you'd have to have eaten psychedelic mushrooms 50 years ago to understand that.
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#1041397 - 11/05/20 01:09 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Duh.
Obviously that's what the needle comment was about.
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#1041401 - 11/05/20 01:20 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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The amount of money spent on the "War on Drugs" has been gigantic, and the result has been an abject and total failure.
Decriminalizing small amounts of drugs will allow cops and courts to allocate time and energy to crimes and criminals that actually matter, and that may actually make a difference.
I'm all for it.
Fish on...
Todd
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#1041406 - 11/05/20 01:28 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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The amount of money spent on the "War on Drugs" has been gigantic, and the result has been an abject and total failure.
Decriminalizing small amounts of drugs will allow cops and courts to allocate time and energy to crimes and criminals that actually matter, and that may actually make a difference.
I'm all for it.
Fish on...
Todd
Agree to disagree here. Decriminalizing small amounts of drugs doesn't solve the problem nor does it justify a smaller police department  Setting stricter laws, bounties or very sizable rewards could lead you to those that are supplying the drugs. Chop the head off the problem and the problem fizzles. But we can discuss this again some day, when nothing changes except for crime rates going up... Keith
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#1041412 - 11/05/20 01:31 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Decriminalizing something that is criminal is an interesting concept right up there with keeping native steelhead.
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#1041415 - 11/05/20 01:33 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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"Those supplying the drugs" aren't the ones committing crimes that are decriminalized.
Fish on...
Todd
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#1041419 - 11/05/20 01:34 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Enforce the laws on the books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#1041424 - 11/05/20 01:40 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
[Re: Todd]
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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"Those supplying the drugs" aren't the ones committing crimes that are decriminalized.
Fish on...
Todd But "if" you couldn't get the drugs, what then? Nothing's impossible Todd. It's all about how strict one wants to be.... They've increased Drinking and driving laws and penalties. Has it or has it not worked in your honest opinion? Keith
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#1041428 - 11/05/20 01:44 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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They've increased Drinking and driving laws and penalties. Has it or has it not worked in your honest opinion?
Not really. Improved vehicle safety has probably saved more lives than stricter drinking and driving laws or penalties have. Fish on... Todd
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#1041429 - 11/05/20 01:46 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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They've increased Drinking and driving laws and penalties. Has it or has it not worked in your honest opinion?
Not really. Improved vehicle safety has probably saved more lives than stricter drinking and driving laws or penalties have. Fish on... Todd And if they increased the penalty steeper? Would it then? Ask yourself, what's the breaking point... How much would it have to cost you in time in jail, money, etc to pass on that drink knowing you were going to get behind a wheel? Keith
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#1041430 - 11/05/20 01:46 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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But "if" you couldn't get the drugs, what then? Nothing's impossible Todd. It's all about how strict one wants to be....
They didn't, and shouldn't de-criminalize drug suppliers, and stopping wasting time busting kids with joints and whatnot will give them more resources to go after the drug suppliers, where you can actually make a difference. That is the point entirely. Fish on... Todd
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#1041431 - 11/05/20 01:48 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Drunks are going to drink, and drunks are going to drink and drive...the penalties don't matter, that's why upping the penalties hasn't done anything to reduce the problem.
Fish on...
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#1041434 - 11/05/20 01:59 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
[Re: Todd]
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Drunks are going to drink, and drunks are going to drink and drive...the penalties don't matter, that's why upping the penalties hasn't done anything to reduce the problem.
Fish on...
Todd I'm not too certain about that, I have a friend that after his 3rd DUI literally couldn't afford it anymore, he was finally backed into a corner to quit... But to each is their own I guess. Keith
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#1041436 - 11/05/20 02:07 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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No Stars for You!
Registered: 11/08/06
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There is distinction between drug dealers and drug users. They should not be treated the same. Drug dealers could be treated through a criminal justice approach vs the latter should definitely be treated as a medical/social problem through treatment. Could the criminal justice approach work? Yes, but it clearly isn’t a consistently valid way of addressing that type of problem.
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#1041438 - 11/05/20 02:10 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Provide pure stuff with some fentanyl.
If you insist on cleaning the problem up then add some bleach.
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#1041439 - 11/05/20 02:12 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
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Loc: Tacoma
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The thing not be discussed is the fact that often these small charges are utilized to solve a problem that can be harder to deal with. Grandson won't leave grandma alone. "Hey, here's some meth in his pocket. Lets just take him in for that."
There was a property I passed almost every day that was an obvious drug house. One day code enforcement came by and, wow, they found an active lab. Police often use round about ways to solve a problem. This can create problems if abused, but taking away the tool can cause just as many problems.
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#1041441 - 11/05/20 02:14 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3419
Loc: PNW
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It’s a good thing that Portland is just one libtarded city in the world. I’m so sick of that place getting so much media attention. Let Portland do Portland and don’t use it as an example of everythimg that is wrong with America. It’s just one city that went to [Bleeeeep!] and it won’t be the last.
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#1041444 - 11/05/20 02:14 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
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Loc: Tacoma
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want to stop drunk drivers, just make it illegal to buy alcohol after a DUI. Maybe a year the first time, 5 the second, forever the third. Put the notice on their ID, and make checking it a requirement. Many have a problem. Making it harder to buy would help.
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#1041445 - 11/05/20 02:15 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3419
Loc: PNW
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The thing not be discussed is the fact that often these small charges are utilized to solve a problem that can be harder to deal with. Grandson won't leave grandma alone. "Hey, here's some meth in his pocket. Lets just take him in for that."
There was a property I passed almost every day that was an obvious drug house. One day code enforcement came by and, wow, they found an active lab. Police often use round about ways to solve a problem. This can create problems if abused, but taking away the tool can cause just as many problems.
Agreed 100%.
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#1041446 - 11/05/20 02:18 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Alcohol should be illegal.
Nothing but problems and costs associated with it.
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#1041447 - 11/05/20 02:24 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/22/05
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Enforce the laws on the books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And keep hoping for different results.
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#1041449 - 11/05/20 02:26 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Enforce the laws on the books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And keep hoping for different results. The problem with enforcing the laws on the books is that they cost massive amounts of money to enforce, and don't do anything to address the problem. Fish on... Todd
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#1041540 - 11/06/20 11:24 AM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
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Loc: Tacoma
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unfortunately, it seems they only want to enforce the ones that bring in revenue. I was pulled over twice for no seat belt within 100 feet of pulling out of my driveway. Call about an on going crime and no one comes. Last one was a guy assaulting his girlfriend. I ran out an confronted the guy while my wife called it in. He stopped but kept following her and yelling, so I ended up following them down the street for 15 minutes until he calmed down and she told me that it was ok to leave. The sheriff never did come or call us back. 100% normal for what I have experienced. They only come about if there are multiple calls and even then sporadically. Forget about property crimes, it just isn't going to happen. We had a body dump a few years ago, less than a block away. I drive by the location several times a day. I found out about it a few months later, because they didn't even canvas the neighborhood or ask around to see if we had seen anything. We are close to the freeway and a mass killer pulled off and dumped the body on a fairly busy street. It is very likely someone, even me, would have passed his car, but since they didn't let anyone know, none of us were aware anything happened. The guy killed quite a few more before finally being caught.
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#1041542 - 11/06/20 11:29 AM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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unfortunately, it seems they only want to enforce the ones that bring in revenue. I was pulled over twice for no seat belt within 100 feet of pulling out of my driveway. Call about an on going crime and no one comes. Last one was a guy assaulting his girlfriend. I ran out an confronted the guy while my wife called it in. He stopped but kept following her and yelling, so I ended up following them down the street for 15 minutes until he calmed down and she told me that it was ok to leave. The sheriff never did come or call us back. 100% normal for what I have experienced. They only come about if there are multiple calls and even then sporadically. Forget about property crimes, it just isn't going to happen. We had a body dump a few years ago, less than a block away. I drive by the location several times a day. I found out about it a few months later, because they didn't even canvas the neighborhood or ask around to see if we had seen anything. We are close to the freeway and a mass killer pulled off and dumped the body on a fairly busy street. It is very likely someone, even me, would have passed his car, but since they didn't let anyone know, none of us were aware anything happened. The guy killed quite a few more before finally being caught. Stories like this are what "defunding the department" should fix...stop sending cops to do social work, stop sending cops to fine or arrest people for victimless "crimes", and stop arming them like para-military armies. Give them the space and resources to stop, investigate, and solve actual crimes. That's their job, not the rest. Fish on... Todd
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#1041554 - 11/06/20 12:02 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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No Stars for You!
Registered: 11/08/06
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Tood,
The problem is that “defunding the police” isn’t a valid strategy to solve those problems mentioned above. Departments must prioritize enforcement appropriately. “Defunding Police” should actually be “Fund Mental Health and community resources” which would be a proactive way to address the problems before they reach the magnitude of involving the police.
Many departments aren’t properly funded to begin with and lack adequate enforcement for their areas. Defunding them won’t solve many problems. Some departments misappropriate funding into the places money shouldn’t go. Departments should be allocating money to match the needs of their specific communities which will look different from region to region.
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#1041555 - 11/06/20 12:04 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
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Loc: Tuleville
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I was pulled over twice for no seat belt within 100 feet of pulling out of my driveway. Call about an on going crime and no one comes. They only come about if there are multiple calls and even then sporadically. Forget about property crimes, it just isn't going to happen. We had a body dump a few years ago. We are close to the freeway and a mass killer pulled off and dumped the body on a fairly busy street. Well, now I know what relator's have nightmares about! Your neighborhood!  I'd love to wager that the houses/trailers/double wides are cheap-as-fvck in this neighborhood!!!! But, seeing how Tacoma has the hottest housing market in the nation now, by simply posting this description of your neighborhood out to the public, your house just went up another 5% in value!
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#1041556 - 11/06/20 12:05 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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"stop arming them like paramilitary armies"
Todd has never even left his bunker, has no clue about the firepower on the streets in the hands of gang members, mafia's and other sh!t...
so you are saying that a Glock, an AR, and some body armor is "paramilitary"?
you dont even know WTF a paramilitary army is...
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#1041559 - 11/06/20 12:09 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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The Chosen One
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you dont even know WTF a paramilitary army is... EvoJuice! EvoJuice! EvoJuice! Don't you dare let me down, Evo!!!!! I'm counting on you to pull through on this one!
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#1041562 - 11/06/20 12:13 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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The Walnut
Registered: 11/25/08
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"stop arming them like paramilitary armies"
Todd has never even left his bunker, has no clue about the firepower on the streets in the hands of gang members, mafia's and other sh!t...
so you are saying that a Glock, an AR, and some body armor is "paramilitary"?
you dont even know WTF a paramilitary army is... Oooh, cryptic danger is one of my favorite subjects on The Darkside
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#1041570 - 11/06/20 12:23 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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"stop arming them like paramilitary armies"
Todd has never even left his bunker, has no clue about the firepower on the streets in the hands of gang members, mafia's and other sh!t...
so you are saying that a Glock, an AR, and some body armor is "paramilitary"?
you dont even know WTF a paramilitary army is... But that can't be Evo, in the opinion of the left, they should be able to send in a social worker and simply deescalate the situation.. You know, simply talk them down... Oh wait, the DEA or Marshals do the police stuff most of the time but we have such small task forces in our area. They need to ramp up the Marshal service, they're simply over ran. Keith
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#1041575 - 11/06/20 12:32 PM
Re: Portland Police Department
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Tood,
“Defunding Police” should actually be “Fund Mental Health and community resources” which would be a proactive way to address the problems before they reach the magnitude of involving the police.
I agree with this 100%. That, however, takes money out of the pockets of private prison owners, who give a lot of money to legislators in the hopes of making everything illegal and putting everyone in jail. Fish on... Todd
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