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#1053811 - 07/15/21 10:49 AM This can't be a surprise to anyone...
Todd Offline
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...but leaked Kremlin papers show that Russia actively sought to support a Trump presidency, for multiple reasons, chiefly among that he is a mental midget that they have lots of dirt on, and can be easily manipulated by the Kremlin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/j...-in-white-house

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.

Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.

The Kremlin responded dismissively. Putin’s spokesman Dmitri Peskov said the idea that Russian leaders had met and agreed to support Trump in at the meeting in early 2016 was “a great pulp fiction” when contacted by the Guardian on Thursday morning.

The documents appear to confirm the Kremlin possesses compromising material on Trump.

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.

Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.

The Kremlin responded dismissively. Putin’s spokesman Dmitri Peskov said the idea that Russian leaders had met and agreed to support Trump in at the meeting in early 2016 was “a great pulp fiction” when contacted by the Guardian on Thursday morning.

The report – “No 32-04 \ vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.

There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.

The paper refers to “certain events” that happened during Trump’s trips to Moscow. Security council members are invited to find details in appendix five, at paragraph five, the document states. It is unclear what the appendix contains.

“It is acutely necessary to use all possible force to facilitate his [Trump’s] election to the post of US president,” the paper says.

This would help bring about Russia’s favoured “theoretical political scenario”. A Trump win “will definitely lead to the destabilisation of the US’s sociopolitical system” and see hidden discontent burst into the open, it predicts.

The Kremlin summit
There is no doubt that the meeting in January 2016 took place – and that it was convened inside the Kremlin.

An official photo of the occasion shows Putin at the head of the table, seated beneath a Russian Federation flag and a two-headed golden eagle. Russia’s then prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, attended, together with the veteran foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov.

Also present were Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister in charge of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency; Mikhail Fradkov, the then chief of Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service; and Alexander Bortnikov, the boss of the FSB spy agency.Nikolai Patrushev, the FSB’s former director, attended too as security council secretary.

According to a press release, the discussion covered the economy and Moldova.

The document seen by the Guardian suggests the security council’s real, covert purpose was to discuss the confidential proposals drawn up by the president’s analytical service in response to US sanctions against Moscow.

The author appears to be Vladimir Symonenko, the senior official in charge of the Kremlin’s expert department – which provides Putin with analytical material and reports, some of them based on foreign intelligence.

The papers indicate that on 14 January 2016 Symonenko circulated a three-page executive summary of his team’s conclusions and recommendations.

In a signed order two days later, Putin instructed the then chief of his foreign policy directorate, Alexander Manzhosin, to convene a closed briefing of the national security council.

Its purpose was to further study the document, the order says. Manzhosin was given a deadline of five days to make arrangements.

What was said inside the second-floor Kremlin senate building room is unknown. But the president and his intelligence officials appear to have signed off on a multi-agency plan to interfere in US democracy, framed in terms of justified self-defence.

Various measures are cited that the Kremlin might adopt in response to what it sees as hostile acts from Washington. The paper lays out several American weaknesses. These include a “deepening political gulf between left and right”, the US’s “media-information” space, and an anti-establishment mood under President Barack Obama.

The paper does not name Hillary Clinton, Trump’s 2016 rival. It does suggest employing media resources to undermine leading US political figures.

There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert “media viruses” into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.

After the meeting, according to a separate leaked document, Putin issued a decree setting up a new and secret interdepartmental commission. Its urgent task was to realise the goals set out in the “special part” of document No 32-04 \ vd.

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Members of the new working body were stated to include Shoigu, Fradkov and Bortnikov. Shoigu was named commission chair. The decree – ukaz in Russian – said the group should take practical steps against the US as soon as possible. These were justified on national security grounds and in accordance with a 2010 federal law, 390-FZ, which allows the council to formulate state policy on security matters.

According to the document, each spy agency was given a role. The defence minister was instructed to coordinate the work of subdivisions and services. Shoigu was also responsible for collecting and systematising necessary information and for “preparing measures to act on the information environment of the object” – a command, it seems, to hack sensitive American cyber-targets identified by the SVR.

The SVR was told to gather additional information to support the commission’s activities. The FSB was assigned counter-intelligence. Putin approved the apparent document, dated 22 January 2016, which his chancellery stamped.

The measures were effective immediately on Putin’s signature, the decree says. The spy chiefs were given just over a week to come back with concrete ideas, to be submitted by 1 February.

Written in bureaucratic language, the papers appear to offer an unprecedented glimpse into the usually hidden world of Russian government decision-making.

Putin has repeatedly denied accusations of interfering in western democracy. The documents seem to contradict this claim. They suggest the president, his spy officers and senior ministers were all intimately involved in one of the most important and audacious espionage operations of the 21st century: a plot to help put the “mentally unstable” Trump in the White House.


The papers appear to set out a route map for what actually happened in 2016.

A matter of weeks after the security council meeting, GRU hackers raided the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and subsequently released thousands of private emails in an attempt to hurt Clinton’s election campaign.

The report seen by the Guardian features details redolent of Russian intelligence work, diplomatic sources say. The thumbnail sketch of Trump’s personality is characteristic of Kremlin spy agency analysis, which places great emphasis on building up a profile of individuals using both real and cod psychology.

Moscow would gain most from a Republican victory, the paper states. This could lead to a “social explosion” that would in turn weaken the US president, it says. There were international benefits from a Trump win, it stresses. Putin would be able in clandestine fashion to dominate any US-Russia bilateral talks, to deconstruct the White House’s negotiating position, and to pursue bold foreign policy initiatives on Russia’s behalf, it says.

Other parts of the multi-page report deal with non-Trump themes. It says sanctions imposed by the US after Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea have contributed to domestic tensions. The Kremlin should seek alternative ways of attracting liquidity into the Russian economy, it concludes.

The document recommends the reorientation of trade and hydrocarbon exports towards China. Moscow’s focus should be to influence the US and its satellite countries, it says, so they drop sanctions altogether or soften them.

‘Spell-binding’ documents

Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russia’s spy agencies and author of The Red Web, said the leaked material “reflects reality”. “It’s consistent with the procedures of the security services and the security council,” he said. “Decisions are always made like that, with advisers providing information to the president and a chain of command.”

He added: “The Kremlin micromanages most of these operations. Putin has made it clear to his spies since at least 2015 that nothing can be done independently from him. There is no room for independent action.” Putin decided to release stolen DNC emails following a security council meeting in April 2016, Soldatov said, citing his own sources.

Sir Andrew Wood, the UK’s former ambassador in Moscow and an associate fellow at the Chatham House thinktank, described the documents as “spell-binding”. “They reflect the sort of discussion and recommendations you would expect. There is a complete misunderstanding of the US and China. They are written for a person [Putin] who can’t believe he got anything wrong.”

Wood added: “There is no sense Russia might have made a mistake by invading Ukraine. The report is fully in line with the sort of thing I would expect in 2016, and even more so now. There is a good deal of paranoia. They believe the US is responsible for everything. This view is deeply dug into the soul of Russia’s leaders.”

Trump did not initially respond to a request for comment.

Later, Liz Harrington, his spokesperson, issued a statement on his behalf.

“This is disgusting. It’s fake news, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA was fake news. It’s just the Radical Left crazies doing whatever they can to demean everybody on the right.

“It’s fiction, and nobody was tougher on Russia than me, including on the pipeline, and sanctions. At the same time we got along with Russia. Russia respected us, China respected us, Iran respected us, North Korea respected us.

“And the world was a much safer place than it is now with mentally unstable leadership.”

***

How much do you have to hate America to support Russia and Trump?

A lot, that's how much.

Fish on...

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#1053812 - 07/15/21 11:28 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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I bet you were foaming at the mouth with a hard on while posting this.


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#1053813 - 07/15/21 11:45 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Streamer]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Streamer
I bet you were foaming at the mouth with a hard on while posting this.


-Steamy


You'd be wrong...unlike Cultists, I actually care about what happens to the United States, and find this revolting, and sad.

Congrats on being wrong again, though, you're on a roll.

Fish on...

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#1053815 - 07/15/21 12:03 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
5 * General Evo Offline
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Russia doesnt "leak" a fvckin thing, unless they want it to be leaked...

The Guardian is also a left wing sh!t stain of a publication, so take what they leak to you with a grain of dog sh!t...
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#1053816 - 07/15/21 12:10 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
DBS Offline
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Just like a good little fat cultist would say, it's "Fake News".

lol.

Don't be stupid.

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#1053817 - 07/15/21 12:18 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
5 * General Evo Offline
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says the limp dick bitch that believes everything the TV tells him...

the CIA likes people like you...
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#1053819 - 07/15/21 12:19 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
DBS Offline
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The CIA might be looking for you.

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#1053821 - 07/15/21 12:23 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
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Hey, brain trust...the Kremlin didn't leak the documents. Western intelligence agencies have them, someone got them from the intelligence agency(ies).

Fish on...

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#1053822 - 07/15/21 12:29 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Hmm, nothing like this on the cnn website’s headlines. Cheney rips Jordon, but not this. Off to The NY Times for a peek. Nothing here either. Myanmar police are hoarding oxygen again, but not this. Possibly these outlets must be fake checking again before posting is my guess...
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#1053823 - 07/15/21 12:37 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
5 * General Evo Offline
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hey brain mush, if you believe anything the CIA "leaks" to a left wing whacko publication, you might be a democrat...

atleast you have so much faith in the CIA that you admit MK Ultra, the recruitment of Nazi's after WW2 to work as US Spies, the COBALT dungeon, the Contra scandal, spying on US citizens, the rape and torture of humans, violations of human rights, lying to congress, lying about everything, election interferance in other countries (while you cry about it being "reported" about here), murdering people, and their families, and all other vile acts against humanity they have committed, actually happened and continue to happen to this day...

glad to know that...

if i didnt know any better, i would say you were a spook...

problem is, well actually, nevermind, im not going to say anything further about that...
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#1053827 - 07/15/21 01:20 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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From the article....
"The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin."



Then we see the genius statement.

Hey, brain trust...the Kremlin didn't leak the documents. Western intelligence agencies have them, someone got them from the intelligence agency(ies).

Fish on...

Todd

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#1053828 - 07/15/21 01:35 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 28 Gage]
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Originally Posted By: 20 Gage
Hmm, nothing like this on the cnn website’s headlines. Cheney rips Jordon, but not this. Off to The NY Times for a peek. Nothing here either. Myanmar police are hoarding oxygen again, but not this. Possibly these outlets must be fake checking again before posting is my guess...



THIS... plus a million.


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#1053829 - 07/15/21 01:43 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Now that we heard the Conservitard opinions on the matter, it is time for some you to post with your other accounts to agree with yourselves.

I just wonder why are most of these secondary accounts Conservitards?
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#1053832 - 07/15/21 01:48 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Busted. I am 20 Gage, krijack, and Master Yoda, and Senator Larry Craig. Illahee is Todd posting drunk from home when not at work.

There I came clean. You happy?
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#1053833 - 07/15/21 01:57 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Now that we heard the Conservitard opinions on the matter, it is time for some you to post with your other accounts to agree with yourselves.

I just wonder why are most of these secondary accounts Conservitards?


Pretty good bait.
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#1053834 - 07/15/21 02:03 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: dwatkins]
Steelheadman Offline
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Cultists when are the red states seceding and joining the Soviet Union?
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#1053838 - 07/15/21 02:25 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
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While you Cultists are getting your magapanties all bunched up, do your own Google search...it's being reported in dozens of outlets.

Fish on...

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#1053839 - 07/15/21 02:29 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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I have little doubt the document was leaked, I just have doubts that it is real. Whether it is or isn't real doesn't really matter. If it is real, it does not change any thing about where America is today or whether Trump was good or bad. It simply furthers the original goal outlined. To further divide America. So, Russia wins regardless and America loses.

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#1053840 - 07/15/21 02:42 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
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Of course you doubt it was real. If Trump came out and told you it was real, you would be fine with that, too.

Pointing out that Trump, who has a cult of millions in this country, is a Russian asset and a fool, is still relevant.

He thinks he's going to be President again, and millions of Cult members will vote for him.

Fish on...

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#1053841 - 07/15/21 02:48 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Be serious, Russia has never won anything. They have, at best, been 2nd place throughout their history. Their favored style of war is cloak and dagger because they are pussies.

Russia gave the world communism and vodka so their tally of contributions adds up to zero.

Russia cannot be blamed for any of America’s problems because they are too inept. Many Americans unfortunately are retards, that is the problem.

I get tired of the Big Scary Mysterious Russia BS. It’s mostly been smoke and mirrors on their end and agitprop on our end.
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#1053842 - 07/15/21 02:50 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Todd is saying congrats now. It's a trip how much the people here influence eachother. The original post was definitely
too long and didn't read. If it weren't for all the [Bleeeeep!] I may have learned something, but your kind pushes people away.

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#1053843 - 07/15/21 02:57 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Jason Beezuz]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Be serious, Russia has never won anything. They have, at best, been 2nd place throughout their history. Their favored style of war is cloak and dagger because they are pussies.

Russia gave the world communism and vodka so their tally of contributions adds up to zero.

Russia cannot be blamed for any of America’s problems because they are too inept. Many Americans unfortunately are retards, that is the problem.

I get tired of the Big Scary Mysterious Russia BS. It’s mostly been smoke and mirrors on their end and agitprop on our end.



Russia is a oil company posing as a super power.

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#1053844 - 07/15/21 03:07 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Krijack]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Krijack
To further divide America. So, Russia wins regardless and America loses.


It's interesting that it's all right wingers who are worried, all of a sudden, about the topic of Trump dividing America.

They sure weren't worried about it before, and they would vote for that idiot again, the second they were given the chance.

If they were actually concerned about "dividing America", then they'd act like fuckin Americans and condemn Trump, his incitement of insurrection, and the traitors that attacked our Democracy on January 6th.

Until you do that, you can take your fake outrage, fake patriotism, and fake worries about dividing America and shove'em directly up your ass.

Fish on...

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#1053847 - 07/15/21 03:17 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Of course you doubt it was real. If Trump came out and told you it was real, you would be fine with that, too.

Pointing out that Trump, who has a cult of millions in this country, is a Russian asset and a fool, is still relevant.

He thinks he's going to be President again, and millions of Cult members will vote for him.

Fish on...

Todd


That cult has always been that Cult, Trump in his outlandish ways allowed people to believe is was ok to speak out and be more vibrant about who they are and what they're about.... Plus the left media amplified a decent majority of it. No matter the president you will have those people that hate being controlled by government.

Trump won't be president again, he burnt his own bridge with the educated side of the party which is the majority.

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#1053848 - 07/15/21 03:21 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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only thing fake here is you...

you call people that wanted to break from the norm, "cultists"..

you wanna know why Hillary said if Trump got elected he would bring us back 50 years?

she wasnt talking about rights, or anything of the sort...

she was talking about a non government citizen that would come in and fvck up the governments plan about what they are going to do to you and i as american citizens, for their own agenda and goal, which is to rule you, and get rich doing so...

you are a part of the same retards that complain about the "rich getting richer", posting from your 2k dollar computer, your 1k dollar phone, while wearing 300 dollar pairs of gay ass shoes that have a material content of 6 bucks...

you have not once said anything bad about what the Biden administration has been doing, and there is plenty to choose from, you spent the last 4 years telling people to stop talking about Obama because he "wasnt president", yet have spent the last 8 months talking about Trump only taking a milisecond to take his dick out of your mouth for a tiny gulp of air...

you regurgitate every hint of propoganda you inhale, like it is the almighty gospel, and spew it as such...

the only cultist around here is YOU...
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#1053849 - 07/15/21 03:23 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Mariah Carey tho, Evo.

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#1053850 - 07/15/21 03:27 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Be serious, Russia has never won anything. They have, at best, been 2nd place throughout their history. Their favored style of war is cloak and dagger because they are pussies.

Russia gave the world communism and vodka so their tally of contributions adds up to zero.

Russia cannot be blamed for any of America’s problems because they are too inept. Many Americans unfortunately are retards, that is the problem.

I get tired of the Big Scary Mysterious Russia BS. It’s mostly been smoke and mirrors on their end and agitprop on our end.


This is not true. Russia also gave us Anna Kournikova and hilarious drunken Youtube videos.
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#1053851 - 07/15/21 03:29 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Evo
only thing fake here is you...

you call people that wanted to break from the norm, "cultists"..

you wanna know why Hillary said if Trump got elected he would bring us back 50 years?

she wasnt talking about rights, or anything of the sort...

she was talking about a non government citizen that would come in and fvck up the governments plan about what they are going to do to you and i as american citizens, for their own agenda and goal, which is to rule you, and get rich doing so...

you are a part of the same retards that complain about the "rich getting richer", posting from your 2k dollar computer, your 1k dollar phone, while wearing 300 dollar pairs of gay ass shoes that have a material content of 6 bucks...

you have not once said anything bad about what the Biden administration has been doing, and there is plenty to choose from, you spent the last 4 years telling people to stop talking about Obama because he "wasnt president", yet have spent the last 8 months talking about Trump only taking a milisecond to take his dick out of your mouth for a tiny gulp of air...

you regurgitate every hint of propoganda you inhale, like it is the almighty gospel, and spew it as such...

the only cultist around here is YOU...


How do you get dumber, and dumber, and dumber, with every post?

Fish on...

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#1053852 - 07/15/21 03:36 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Originally Posted By: Krijack
I have little doubt the document was leaked, I just have doubts that it is real. Whether it is or isn't real doesn't really matter. If it is real, it does not change any thing about where America is today or whether Trump was good or bad. It simply furthers the original goal outlined. To further divide America. So, Russia wins regardless and America loses.


This.

Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Be serious, Russia has never won anything. They have, at best, been 2nd place throughout their history. Their favored style of war is cloak and dagger because they are pussies.

Russia gave the world communism and vodka so their tally of contributions adds up to zero.

Russia cannot be blamed for any of America’s problems because they are too inept. Many Americans unfortunately are retards, that is the problem.

I get tired of the Big Scary Mysterious Russia BS. It’s mostly been smoke and mirrors on their end and agitprop on our end.


This too.
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#1053853 - 07/15/21 03:37 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
5 * General Evo Offline
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how do you swing so far left you bust the chains on the swing set?

and why do you keep bring up Jan 6th like it was Pearl Harbor, Biden jr?

you sould like AOC..

you sound like the type of person that is going to say that Purple Hearts should be given out to the people that were there...

all the while, Biden told 150 million gun owners you would need nukes and f-15s to beat the US government...

but a few hundred meat heads almost over threw our democracy...

rofl

get fvckin real for once...
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#1053856 - 07/15/21 03:53 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
Streamer Offline
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Originally Posted By: Evo
how do you swing so far left you bust the chains on the swing set?

and why do you keep bring up Jan 6th like it was Pearl Harbor, Biden jr?

you sould like AOC..

you sound like the type of person that is going to say that Purple Hearts should be given out to the people that were there...

all the while, Biden told 150 million gun owners you would need nukes and f-15s to beat the US government...

but a few hundred meat heads almost over threw our democracy...

rofl

get fvckin real for once...


Evo,

Todd is moderately left. He isn’t as far left as you can go but he is certainly left.

He is, however, the biggest Anti-Republican shill you will EVER meet. The amount of schit he regurgitates that is hating on republicans is unbelievable. Blue Frank is the most fitting nickname for him. Almost 30k posts and almost all of which focuses on hating republicans while staying silent on issues that reflect poorly on anyone team blue. It’s amazing how someone who seems relatively smart can have such a massive blind spot.

The second part of your post is accurate completely. Biden saying 150 million gun owners need nukes or F-15s to overthrow the government while complaining that a few hundred unarmed Trump garglers were the biggest risk to our democracy is laughable. Only someone like Todd believes this nonsense.

-Steamy
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#1053857 - 07/15/21 03:57 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Steamer, you are starting to sound like Evo. For most, this would be alarming.

Your mileage may vary.

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#1053858 - 07/15/21 03:57 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo

she was talking about a non government citizen that would come in and fvck up the governments plan about what they are going to do to you and i as american citizens, for their own agenda and goal, which is to rule you, and get rich doing so...


Really? Is that what you really think...that our government WANTS to rule us? Where do you hear this [Bleeeeep!]? In the shower while chatting with Qanon...when you're not thinking about Dan or Reef?

You don't understand that our government is comprised of millions of citizens trying to get a paycheck. (Look up Paycheck). They want to go fishing more than to rule you. They aren't a monolithic creature that labors to fool poor little Evo.

God, you sure are stupid.

Don't be stupid.


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#1053859 - 07/15/21 04:02 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Steamer, you are starting to sound like Evo. For most, this would be alarming.

Your mileage may vary.

Fish on...

Todd



Sounds like something a shill with a massive blind spot would say.

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#1053860 - 07/15/21 04:02 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
says the limp dick

What is with your constant concern about the state of PP members' members? And what is with all your homophobic statements?

You know what they say about overt homophobes.

(Look up Larry Craig.)

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#1053861 - 07/15/21 04:06 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
5 * General Evo Offline
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phobic meants to be irrationally afraid of something...

im afraid of nothing... well, nothing that can harm me, i am afraid of losing people, but i guess thats life...

and you have the gall to talk about what people say?

go look at your last posts, see how many times you used gay synonyms trying to be funny..

fvckin geek...
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#1053862 - 07/15/21 04:23 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Evo has high blood pressure

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#1053863 - 07/15/21 04:24 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Todd's self awareness is non existent

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#1053864 - 07/15/21 04:27 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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And Trump didn't divide America. We were divided before him and you know it. What do your guys wives think when you're on here?

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#1053865 - 07/15/21 04:29 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: DBS]
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Originally Posted By: DBS
Originally Posted By: Evo

she was talking about a non government citizen that would come in and fvck up the governments plan about what they are going to do to you and i as american citizens, for their own agenda and goal, which is to rule you, and get rich doing so...


Really? Is that what you really think...that our government WANTS to rule us? Where do you hear this [Bleeeeep!]? In the shower while chatting with Qanon...when you're not thinking about Dan or Reef?

You don't understand that our government is comprised of millions of citizens trying to get a paycheck. (Look up Paycheck). They want to go fishing more than to rule you. They aren't a monolithic creature that labors to fool poor little Evo.

God, you sure are stupid.

Don't be stupid.



Bump. Evo?

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#1053866 - 07/15/21 04:39 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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the low level people in the government are basically slaves.. they are used by the upper level to gain what they want to do... except they are paid for it...

if one of those people goes against what they are doing, they will be terminated immediately...

if you think people like Hillary and Biden and Obama are there "for the people", think again...

ask yourself why high level politicians are always striving to gain "power"..

they are not for the people, they want power over the people...

if you cant see that, take your ass to Lens Crafters and by some quad focals...

the perfect example is Bidens comment on guns, he basically said he rules, and will use the US Military to show you that he isnt playing if it comes to that...

whats honestly funny, is that not 1 democrate has denounced him saying that, they just ignore it like they ignore everything else that whack ass party does...

because they are all sheep... every last one of them...
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#1053873 - 07/15/21 07:05 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
the low level people in the government are basically slaves.. they are used by the upper level to gain what they want to do... except they are paid for it...

if one of those people goes against what they are doing, they will be terminated immediately...


Hmm. I didn't know you had Human Resources experience.

But I did already know you were an expert at pulling facts straight out of your ass, and your reply was a perfect example of that.

Don't be stupid.

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#1053876 - 07/15/21 07:28 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
stlhdr1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Evo
The perfect example is Bidens comment on guns, he basically said he rules, and will use the US Military to show you that he isnt playing if it comes to that...

whats honestly funny, is that not 1 democrat has denounced him saying that, they just ignore it


There is some merit to this post.. Just sayin...

Had Trump threw that fastball it would have been entertaining to sit back and watch....

Keith
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#1053878 - 07/15/21 07:51 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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#1053879 - 07/15/21 08:01 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
the low level people in the government are basically slaves.


Fvck you. They are workers. Employees. They earn their money. What an asshole you are to criticize people with jobs while you live on mommy's couch and eat mommy's groceries.

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#1053880 - 07/15/21 08:01 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: stlhdr1]
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Originally Posted By: stlhdr1
Originally Posted By: Evo
The perfect example is Bidens comment on guns, he basically said he rules, and will use the US Military to show you that he isnt playing if it comes to that...

whats honestly funny, is that not 1 democrat has denounced him saying that, they just ignore it


There is some merit to this post.. Just sayin...

Had Trump threw that fastball it would have been entertaining to sit back and watch....

Keith


It’s a fair point...

-Steamy
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#1053881 - 07/15/21 08:14 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: DBS]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: DBS
Originally Posted By: Evo
the low level people in the government are basically slaves.


Fvck you. They are workers. Employees. They earn their money. What an asshole you are to criticize people with jobs while you live on mommy's couch and eat mommy's groceries.


No kidding. Mr. Jobless Job Critic.

lol
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#1053896 - 07/16/21 04:06 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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There is another story regarding the 2020 election breaking on the exact same day, lol.

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#1053897 - 07/16/21 05:10 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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The first part is great! lol

"Leaked Kremlin papers show"

Man some of you libtards are 100% batfucckingshit crazy!!

Nobody in their right mind could believe the Kremlin leaked anything....

WTF is wrong with you socialcrat sheep of MSM....

Either that or more of you troll the Darkside then astoria in August!!!
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#1053898 - 07/16/21 05:36 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Timber]
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Originally Posted By: Timber
The first part is great! lol

"Leaked Kremlin papers show"

Man some of you libtards are 100% batfucckingshit crazy!!

Nobody in their right mind could believe the Kremlin leaked anything....

WTF is wrong with you socialcrat sheep of MSM....

Either that or more of you troll the Darkside then astoria in August!!!


I never ever imagined the far right would turn to communism. F Trump and all those that still support the loser.
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#1053899 - 07/16/21 05:56 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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#1053903 - 07/16/21 08:10 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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"Basically slaves". Shut up Evo. You can tell when the meds come in at the Evo house. Or when they run out . You should give a lesson on slavery next.

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#1053904 - 07/16/21 08:12 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Timber, Russian spies get caught every now and again and there's usually intelligence involved. I didn't read much of this thread, but insulting someone's brain power isn't something you should be doing.

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#1053905 - 07/16/21 08:12 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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No offense.

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#1053906 - 07/16/21 08:42 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Government employees are “basically slaves”? I thought government employees had the best pay and the best benefits for doing nothing. I mean what does the government do anyway?
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#1053909 - 07/16/21 08:48 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Government employees are “basically slaves”? I thought government employees had the best pay and the best benefits for doing nothing. I mean what does the government do anyway?


They give checks to fat slobs like him to stay home and continue to suck the giverments teet for everything they need.
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#1053910 - 07/16/21 08:56 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Paul Smenis]
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Originally Posted By: War-Paint
Originally Posted By: Jason Beezuz
Government employees are “basically slaves”? I thought government employees had the best pay and the best benefits for doing nothing. I mean what does the government do anyway?


They give checks to fat slobs like him to stay home and continue to suck the giverments teet for everything they need.


It’s sorta like deplorables saying Trump invented the vaccine and gets the credit, and then saying the vaccine is dangerous and unnecessary. Modern politics are never congruent, people just repeat stuff that sounds/feels like the thing to say.
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#1053911 - 07/16/21 09:02 AM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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All those Fox News talking heads you dipshits are listening to got vaccinated. So did your Lordandsaviormangomessiah.

Fish on...

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#1053953 - 07/16/21 04:17 PM Re: This can't be a surprise to anyone... [Re: Todd]
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Toad misses the point every time!

Not surprised....

Congrats toad on your wisdom that means nothing other than blah blah blah talk...

You're killin it kid!
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