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#1064335 - 10/06/24 02:18 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
Carcassman Offline
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Good luck with the birds, Nice afternoon for it.

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#1064337 - 10/07/24 05:41 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Who to vote governor is easy this time. One has done an absolutely horrible job. Get rid of him. The I-2117 is a correction to a program that has only raised taxes. So yes on 2117.
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#1064340 - 10/08/24 04:59 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: skyrise]
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Registered: 03/06/14
Posts: 284
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I agree completely. Inslee has been the worst governor in history for anglers. He only expanded the hatchery program in a few places, and that was for orcas, not people. There have been good governors in the past, Spellman, Locke, and Gardner. Inslee is on the planet Zircon with his Commissioner appointments.

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#1064341 - 10/08/24 09:04 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Bob is horrible. The incident with the police officers in Tacoma is a perfect example of how he works. The officers probably were in the wrong, but the local prosecutors all declined to prosecute as they knew they could not get a verdict. After every prosecutor turned him down, the decided to pursue on his own. His office did a horrible job and even if he got a guilty plea, it never would have held up because of all the mistakes they made. In the end, the cops all got paid off from the city of Tacoma, making them all millionaires. One is suing the state for several million more. Probably will get paid off on this too.
Catering to the left to get elected is all he is about. Chasing Trump. Suing conservative cake makers, refusing to answer public disclosure requests and costing the state millions.

I don't like Reichert but will vote for anyone other than Bob.

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#1064342 - 10/09/24 07:08 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
satsop_connoisseur Offline
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Registered: 10/28/14
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Inslee 2117 initiative has failed on the ballot twice until he crammed it down our neck in the legislature. Now we vote for a third time... Don't be fooled by all the money and advertisements supporting 2117. This initiative isn't reducing carbon but rather making polluters pay more which subsequently trickles down to the middle class. Money isn't going where they stated, and the burden falls on the backs of the middle class to prop up wasteful government spending. Consider myself an independent and have voted Democrat frequently in the past. Reichert all the way and repeal 2117.

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#1064343 - 10/09/24 09:02 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Both gov candidates have too much negative baggage for me to vote for either of them. Often elections come down to choosing the "lesser evil." Neither Ferguson nor Reichert are lesser enough for my vote. So I guess I will let others decide. I want no part of either of them. And besides, neither of them will do anything for fish or fishermen.

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#1064344 - 10/09/24 09:27 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Ahh, no, don’t let the others to decide for you. Help those fish and fisherfolk, so do the write thing and pencil in a vote for your fish.
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#1064345 - 10/09/24 12:36 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Both gov candidates have too much negative baggage for me to vote for either of them. Often elections come down to choosing the "lesser evil." Neither Ferguson nor Reichert are lesser enough for my vote. So I guess I will let others decide. I want no part of either of them. And besides, neither of them will do anything for fish or fishermen.


One is the lesser evil. When it comes to two options, no matter what, one will be the lesser. Do your own diligence to determine who that might be. My guess is that if you analyze this one objectively you will probably arrive at the answer that is most appropriate but simply goes against the fiber of your being. Look past it and check your bias.


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#1064346 - 10/09/24 01:32 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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It looks to me like a status quo vs change thing in the Voters pamphlet?

Time to retire the AG, who refused to prosecute criminals for property crimes. IMHO
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#1064347 - 10/09/24 02:27 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Both gov candidates have too much negative baggage for me to vote for either of them. Often elections come down to choosing the "lesser evil." Neither Ferguson nor Reichert are lesser enough for my vote. So I guess I will let others decide. I want no part of either of them. And besides, neither of them will do anything for fish or fishermen.


Back after my service years I was an aquatic education instructor as well a reserve deputy sheriff here in Mason County. I met Reichert when I asked him for identity and authority to enter a crime scene. He was here to help with identification of suspect via newer technology.

The day before, I held the skull in my bare hands.
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#1064348 - 10/09/24 02:51 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Reichert has my vote. Back in my law enforcement career had the opportunity to attend a class where he was a guest speaker. Great guy. A non Trumpian non MAGA republican is what this state desperately needs. I believe he will listen to us sportfishers on our issues
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#1064349 - 10/09/24 07:29 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Does it really mater who the new Governor will be as far as sport fishermen are comcerned? The tribes will buy off the Governor be it Ferguson or Reichert?

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#1064350 - 10/09/24 08:34 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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If your overriding issue is sport fishing and hunting then I don't see much real difference between the two; Tribal and other deep pockets will win out.

In my mind, there are significant and votable differences between th two on issues of crime, drugs, government tranmsparency, and so on. If you are a multi-issue voter then there is space to delve into the candidates.

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#1064351 - 10/10/24 02:37 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Your are right about the office usually being bought CM. I just ask everyone this, what issues can you defend either candidate on? Crime? Ferguson fail, Government transparency? Ferguson fail. He can only talk about the lawsuits defending us against the Trump admin and big Pharma, no high capacity magazines, siding with the anti police rhetoric, suing the Tacoma cops in the Manny Ellis case, even though three other agencies declined to prosecute. Doesn't mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars he has cost us when his suits fail. He is a vicious person at best and the only thing transparent about him is his naked ambition to be governor at any cost. You may disagree with Reichert and his more hard line stance, but he is open about what he believes and might start this state on a more sane path. There, done with my political rant. lol

Fished beach silvers yesterday. Many many rollers. One caught. PM me for what it was caught on and where
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#1064352 - 10/10/24 08:10 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Since this is a fishing site that is why I brought up the point of the tribes buying off either choice for Governor. If you consider all the other issues and the differences between the two candidates then, of course, you must vote for the candidate whose stances align with yours.

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#1064355 - 10/10/24 08:41 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Mr.Twister]
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Originally Posted By: Mr.Twister
Your are right about the office usually being bought CM. I just ask everyone this, what issues can you defend either candidate on? Crime? Ferguson fail, Government transparency? Ferguson fail. He can only talk about the lawsuits defending us against the Trump admin and big Pharma, no high capacity magazines, siding with the anti police rhetoric, suing the Tacoma cops in the Manny Ellis case, even though three other agencies declined to prosecute. Doesn't mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars he has cost us when his suits fail. He is a vicious person at best and the only thing transparent about him is his naked ambition to be governor at any cost. You may disagree with Reichert and his more hard line stance, but he is open about what he believes and might start this state on a more sane path. There, done with my political rant. lol

Fished beach silvers yesterday. Many many rollers. One caught. PM me for what it was caught on and where



10/10/2024

Most fishing sites, are men oriented. Women vote, Reichert burned his bridges on his stance on "women issues".

November 5. fast approaching, Ferguson wins, simple as that!!!!!!
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#1064357 - 10/10/24 08:47 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Drifter, you start off by pissing off more than half the electorate from the get-go and it makes winning harder.

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#1064359 - 10/10/24 09:42 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Registered: 10/15/03
Posts: 716
Loc: Olympia
"Women issue" ? I don't see where Reichert's stance on abortion is any different than Washington's currently enshrined protections, which he has publicly stated he wants to follow. More lies and extrapolation by lyin' Bob. Reichert's "women's issue" will be that most women I know want to feel safer in this lawless state. I am done with this one. The handful of people who follow this site can't move the needle much. haha
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#1064360 - 10/10/24 01:43 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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His stance, and his votes in Congress, were anti. He has said he would support the existing law but so did Kavenaugh.

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#1064385 - 10/15/24 06:27 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
His stance, and his votes in Congress, were anti. He has said he would support the existing law but so did Kavenaugh.


This is mostly false. Your feelings on his stance are subjective and a matter of opinion but on the other hand his votes in congress are on record and are an objective matter of fact, so I'll address this. By anti, I take it to mean anti-abortion, that is that abortion should be illegal. I combed through his entire voting record and there are no votes to ban abortion. However there are some that may be slightly anti, if you mean by anti that he has made some votes that would still allow abortion but slightly restrict it in some way if they passed, which they didn't.

Reichert voted multiple times in Congress, including in 2013, 2015, and 2017 to prohibit abortions after 20 weeks with exceptions for a mother’s health risk and in cases of rape and incest. However these would not ban abortions and just generally bring federal law in line with current Washington State law. I wouldn't exactly characterize this as anti-abortion since you can get one for any reason in the first 20 weeks then after that for health reasons, rape or incest. In fact I'd say this goes right along with him "supporting existing law" as he said he would.

The only other votes that he made that could be construed as anti abortion are his votes to defund Planned Parenthood in 2011 and then again in 2015. However, this would not ban abortion, just stop taxpayer funding for it, if you want to get an abortion you can pay for it yourself. Also this wouldn't even stop Planned Parenthood from existing and doing abortions. It's a 501(c)(3) charity funded not only by the federal government but also foundations like the Gates Foundation, the Buffet Foundation, the Ford Foundation and many more foundations, corporate donors and individuals. So if the federal governement quit paying, Planned Parenthood would still exist.

These are the only votes he did on abortion, so what is this anti abortion vote nonsense? Just another red herring from team blue? Let me guess, you didn't go through his voting record. You just read a hit piece on Reichert calling him anti-abortion in some blue anon conspiracy rag like the Seattle Times and ran with it?

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