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#1064485 - 10/29/24 11:52 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
5 * General Evo Offline
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policies over personalities...

period...
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#1064494 - 10/30/24 08:38 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
policies over personalities...

period...


What about when the personality is the policy?

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#1064495 - 10/30/24 09:54 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Fish on !

I knew Evo still had the bait . Play em easy now , itz a big one !







Edited by 28 Gage (10/30/24 10:10 AM)
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#1064496 - 10/30/24 10:04 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Like the personality of Harris cackling at 40yr high inflation, canning 'trumps' remain in mexico policy on day one, that invoked millions of illegals to flood our country, cant answer simple questions, been the vp for 4 years and done nothing but, make the u.s. a laughing stock. Get involved in 2 foreign wars. Says she cant think of anything she'd do different from xiden. That personality/policy comparison? Trumps mean tweets didn't drain my pockets every time i go to the store and didn't make my community less safe, also didn't raise my insurance rates due to the crime in my area. I was way better off under trump. Policy over personality.

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#1064498 - 10/30/24 02:07 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
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Evo is right again.
And
Harris has had more pricks than a pin cushion.

So PNW.

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#1064499 - 10/30/24 05:08 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
policies over personalities...

period...


What about when the personality is the policy?


Non-factor. Be honest with yourself. If Trump was a Democrat, you would vote for him.


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#1064501 - 10/30/24 08:06 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Spoon,
If Trump gets back in office and puts his tariffs on all goods coming into this country see how much your pockets drain and how high inflation goes. It basically amounts to a "Trump sales tax". The average American family will $4000 more a year. That isn't me saying that. That is what 23 Nobel prize winning economists have said. I think they know more than that "Great" business man Trump who has declared bankruptcy six times. Trump is the laughing stock to our foreign adversaries. Putin knows he can eat Trump for lunch. Why do you think he wants Trump back in the oval office so bad?

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#1064502 - 10/30/24 09:28 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Not.

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#1064503 - 10/31/24 08:15 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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When Mike Lowry ran for governor I would not for him regardless of party. IF DJT were a D I would not vote for him.

If he wins, he will push Ukraine to accept the Russian Invasion as a fact and a "Beautiful Deal". There are some things in life that one does not deal for.

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#1064504 - 10/31/24 08:36 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Streamer]
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Originally Posted By: Streamer
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
policies over personalities...

period...


What about when the personality is the policy?


Non-factor. Be honest with yourself. If Trump was a Democrat, you would vote for him.


Streamer

Ya right. Don't kid yourself. You party liners are all the same. If it was Hillary or Gary Ridgway as GOP's you would be voting for them! Like I said. Proud to be an Independent thinker and voter. Trump would take that away if given a chance.
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#1064505 - 10/31/24 08:58 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Streamer]
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Originally Posted By: Streamer
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
policies over personalities...

period...


What about when the personality is the policy?


Non-factor. Be honest with yourself. If Trump was a Democrat, you would vote for him.


Streamer


Not a chance. Trump has turned the Republican party into something not recognizable of its former self. Based on his unstable rantings and the Project 2025 playbook, he may well be turning the Republican party into the new American Nazi party. That would be consistent with General Milley calling Trump Facist to the core. Maybe why over 200 well known Republicans who disagree with Harris on most policies are choosing to support Harris because they value democracy over autocracy. Liz Cheny is 10 times more conservative than Trump has ever been. Yet she is supporting Harris because Trump is a grave threat to American democracy.

All your rights as an American citizen will be subject to Trump's mentally unstable whims of the moment. If you yearn to know what it's like to live under Russia's Putin, then vote for Trump.

Trump doesn't know sh!t from apple butter about economics. His personal bankruptcies prove it. He doesn't believe his proposed tariffs will be passed on to American consumers. But every economist in the country who doesn't work for Trump, including numerous Nobel Prize winning economists say that's how tariffs work, and that they will add approximately $3600 in costs to the average American household for imported goods, you know, like all those lower income Americans who shop at Wal Mart.

Trump, i.e., Cadet Bonespurs, calls American servicemen and women "suckers and losers," and insulted former POW John McCain. Pentagon Generals and Admirals called Trump a "fvcking moron" even before they called him a Facist.

As a non-billionaire I can't afford more Trump tax cuts that benefit the rich and increase taxes on the middle class.

Trump incited a riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol to try and prevent the certification of an election that he knows he lost. That was an act of treason that he has yet to account for.

Trump expects people who work under his direction to be loyal to him and not to the U.S. Constitution, in direct contradiction to the oath that every federal employee and service member swears to.

These are the main reasons I'd never vote for Trump, no matter what party he thinks he represents.


Edited by Salmo g. (10/31/24 01:45 PM)

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#1064506 - 10/31/24 09:18 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Have you guys studied the windows in your house and already chose the highest one??

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#1064507 - 10/31/24 10:16 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: Streamer
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
policies over personalities...

period...


What about when the personality is the policy?


Non-factor. Be honest with yourself. If Trump was a Democrat, you would vote for him.


Streamer


Not a chance. Trump has turned the Republican party into something not recognizable of its former self. Based on his unstable rantings and the Project 2925 playbook, he may well be turning the Republican party into the new American Nazi party. That would be consistent with General Milley calling Trump Facist to the core. Maybe why over 200 well known Republicans who disagree with Harris on most policies are choosing to support Harris because they value democracy over autocracy. Liz Cheny is 10 times more conservative than Trump has ever been. Yet she is supporting Harris because Trump is a grave threat to American democracy.

All your rights as an American citizen will be subject to Trump's mentally unstable whims of the moment. If you yearn to know what it's like to live under Russia's Putin, then vote for Trump.

Trump doesn't know sh!t from apple butter about economics. His personal bankruptcies prove it. He doesn't believe his proposed tariffs will be passed on to American consumers. But every economist in the country who doesn't work for Trump, including numerous Nobel Prize winning economists say that's how tariffs work, and that they will add approximately $3600 in costs to the average American household for imported goods, you know, like all those lower income Americans who shop at Wal Mart.

Trump, i.e., Cadet Bonespurs, calls American servicemen and women "suckers and losers," and insulted former POW John McCain. Pentagon Generals and Admirals called Trump a "fvcking moron" even before they called him a Facist.

As a non-billionaire I can't afford more Trump tax cuts that benefit the rich and increase taxes on the middle class.

Trump incited a riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol to try and prevent the certification of an election that he knows he lost. That was an act of treason that he has yet to account for.

Trump expects people who work under his direction to be loyal to him and not to the U.S. Constitution, in direct contradiction to the oath that every federal employee and service member swears to.

These are the main reasons I'd never vote for Trump, no matter what party he thinks he represents.
why would rfk and gabbard join if the trump administration was so unrecognizable for republicans? Remember the afghan withdrawal that made the us look like a clown show? What did we get right after? The invasion of Ukraine. Remember when the us gave Iran 6billion dollars and right after that they attacked Israel. Iran was broke through the trump admin. Salmo, Putin said in an interview that he would rather see Harris in office. Because he knows, the longer we draw this out, the more poor we become by fueling these wars. That's why Liz supports Harris.

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#1064508 - 10/31/24 10:20 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Bidens generals and admins got criticized by trump for the disaster of a withdrawal. So they called him a moron and fascist. Hope this helps salmo.

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#1064509 - 10/31/24 10:34 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
28 Gage Offline
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“ These are the main reasons I'd never vote for Trump, no matter what party he thinks he represents.“


And here we thought it was abortion and female reproductive issues that turned your vote. Project 2925 ? Hmm, it sounds like that program is something we should look at very closely- in a few years...
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#1064512 - 10/31/24 11:39 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Limiting free speech, not answering the simplest of questions, and getting installed 2 months before an election without any votes is the real threat to democracy.

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#1064513 - 10/31/24 11:57 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Where is everybody that was associated with Trump during his first term? Nobody who has ever been associated with him, ever wants to be associated with him again. Hell even his own wife won't appear on stage with him, same with most of the rest of his family. I don't like Harris' policy decisions either. I would gladly vote for a Repub that resembled the R party of 10 yrs ago, actually did for WA governor this year. But the orange menace must be defeated, he's just a very bad guy.
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#1064514 - 10/31/24 12:29 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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"Nobody who has ever been associated with him, ever wants to be associated with him again. Hell even his own wife won't appear on stage with him, same with most of the rest of his family."

Wrong.

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#1064515 - 10/31/24 01:49 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: fishbadger]
SpoonFed Offline
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Registered: 01/29/19
Posts: 1554
Originally Posted By: fishbadger
Where is everybody that was associated with Trump during his first term? Nobody who has ever been associated with him, ever wants to be associated with him again. Hell even his own wife won't appear on stage with him, same with most of the rest of his family. I don't like Harris' policy decisions either. I would gladly vote for a Repub that resembled the R party of 10 yrs ago, actually did for WA governor this year. But the orange menace must be defeated, he's just a very bad guy.
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lol. Wut. Orange man bad so lets vote for ms biden jr. How is he a 'very bad guy' and how did it affect you personally from '2016-'20?

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#1064516 - 10/31/24 02:07 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Posts: 13491
Spoonfed,

RFK is a mental case, so he has that in common with Trump. There is no logical explanation of Gabbard.

The Afghan withdrawal was set up by Trump, negotiated directly with the Taliban, leaving the Afghan government - that we helped set up and support - out of the deal entirely. The only thing Biden did was delay the withdrawal by 4 months. The generals warned both Trump and Biden the withdrawal was going to be a sh!tshow, and they were right.

The invasion of Ukraine was long in planning and began during the Obama administration. To blame Biden for Russia's invasion would illustrate an ignorance in world affairs. If Putin had done it while Trump was in office, Russia would have won within 6 months or so since Trump is opposed to aid to Ukraine. What Putin says is never trustworthy. Kinda' like Trump in that regard.

The US didn't give Iran 6 billion $$. The US was holding that money with no legal claim to it. Iran has never been broke. It has been floating in oil money since the US and UK first developed the oil resources there.

Liz Cheney and over 200 other die hard Republicans support Harris because they agree that Trump is a clear and present danger to American democracy. They've chosen country over party and will take up their battles with Democrats at a later date.

The Pentagon generals called Trump a fvcking moron after the briefing sessions with him early in his administration in 2021, long before planning the Afghan withdrawal. Hope that helps Spoon.

Harris has no authority to limit free speech. She used to answer questions really badly, but I have seen improvement. Hell, ask Trump a question and he'll talk about something other than the question for paragraphs, except he doesn't really speak in sentences and paragraphs, given his inability to speak coherently.

28 gage, yes, the abortion issue too. Just not the only one. The joy of Trump is that there are so many reasons to not support him. Oh, and I left out 34 felony convictions and sexual assault and defamation. If I look at my notes I could come up with more.

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