I would be open to that as I like children, however I am incapable of carrying a baby because I am a man and men cannot have babies. If the delusional thinking of your political party has influenced you to believe men can have babies, then you have been duped once again by your party. I am also not the one in need of adopting responsibility in my life to better myself. I’ve also never sought an abortion or been with someone who has had one. So I do subscribe to my belief.

The big idea to this is more about learning that actions have consequences. One should not participate in actions if they are unable to bear the consequences. The only way to learn this is through having responsibility. I don’t want to live in a society where people can skirt responsibility and not have consequences for their actions. You apparently have similar beliefs as well evidenced by your post on the dark side back on 05-22-2015.



So what is it Salmo? Do you want people to have consequences for their actions or not? Just not for sex and abortions? Perhaps your judgement is clouded with your bias and you should once again rethink your position to be more consistent with your philosophy.


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Actions do have consequences. In Texas, a married woman desiring to have children ended up in a situation where here pregnancy needed termination due to complications to the fetus. This was denied under Texas law until the cionbdition reached the point where she in all likelihood became sterile and unable to have children in the future. It is my understanding that other women have died because the bar to allow "life-saving surgery" is perilously close to being too late.

I have known a few women who have had abortions and is not a "no-consequence" procedure; long-term scars remain.

But I do believe that we need significantly more access to pre-conception birth control and the morning after pill.

Who is ready for the Trumpslide? Only a couple hours until they start announcing it....

Go Trump go!!!!!

White guys for Harris bro!!!!


Let’s go!!!

Skip the windows and just get up on the roof and dive off boys.

There will be a Trump win and Republican Senate. I hope this is the nudge the US Supreme Court needs to tell the ninth circuit court to follow US law under the second amendment.

Nah bruh. And life goes on.

Awfully quiet here today…


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Finally our country spoke up and said NO to the democrat's gay ways!

Get out of women's sports and back in the closet.

With the election over, it will be interesting to see if Trump comes through on his promises. Even after being called childish names throughout the campaign and bring called "trash" by Vance at his last rally, Harris showed class and dignity in her concession speech and in congratulating Trump after the election. A dignified transfer of power and no complaints of election fraud or a rigged election. With the reports that the economy was the main issue in the election and that the working class ( especially Hispanic men) voted overwhelmingly for Trump, it is now up to Trump and his administration to come through with his promises to bring down food prices, gas prices etc.. He will be under the microscope to produce. He will have a Republican Senate and likely Republican House, His court cases will be thrown out, immunity and a favorable Supreme Court. So no excuses for not getting things and promises done. So Donald, the ball is in your court. We will see if you come through or if you are just blowing smoke.

This will be a great opportunity to see if the GOP can govern. As I recall, they were in control of all three branches at least the first couple of DT's first term. This country is crying out for a Congress and President that can effectively lead. Heck, I think most of the state's want their executives to lead, too. And by lead, I mean actually accomplish things.

The reason the Dems conceded with "class and dignity" is because they got their A$$ absolutely railed and it wasn't even close.

Had it been closer they would have been screaming from the rooftops.
Biden just wouldn't have known what he was screaming.

+1

Dems learned some tough lessons through this election. Thus far, women candidates hasn’t proven to be a successful strategy, along with calling Republicans/Trump supporters “garbage” (or Hillary basket of deplorables) and demonize them from every angle. Pandering to controversial minority populations like trans at the expense of larger groups, and not listening to what most voters have identified as the most important topics in this election being the economy and immigration, not abortions /social issues which only 14% of voters (such as Salmo and Carcassman) have identified as being the most important.

Dems need to not be so extreme and pander to these bizarre social causes that alienate more than 50% of the voter base. They need to stop this partnership/control of the MSM that is focusing on attacking Trump and focus more on listening to what the need of the majority are and developing strategies and policies to meet these needs.

Ironic that the DOJ just dropped the two federal investigations on Trump right after he is elected. Yet he is the one who will weaponize government to go after his political enemies. What a joke.


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Another interesting thing is that immediately as Trump is elected, Hamas calls for peace and an end to the war.

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-calls-immediate-end-war-after-trump-election-win-1981571

Trump has stated that he will end the war with Russia/Ukraine immediately as president-elect. Probably because he is not tied to the government war machine/military industrial complex. I hate the US giving aid to Ukraine and being involved, so I will hold Trump to this one especially to see if he will have follow through. It shouldn’t be a hard one.


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Putin used the false flag of Russians living in Ukraine being abused as the reason to invade. If PUtin is successful then what will keep him from using that same false flag to try and retake the Baltic countries?

Right, those Baltic countries are members of NATO and we are obligated to militarily intervene should they be invaded.

Frankly, it would seem better to support Ukraine now with resources other than troops rather than becoming dragged into an all out war over the Baltic countries.

I should add that I know a friend of one of my sons who is married to a woman whose Russian parents were sent to Latvia during the Russian occupation. The friend of my son is still living in Latvia with his wife and family.

Maybe General Patton was right.

Harris has more class than Trump and Vance ever though of having. Do you think if Harris had won the election Trump would have conceded gracefully? Really. We saw that game played already for the last four years. The ball is in your court, Donald.

Indeed, it was quiet around here yesterday. I needed a little time to think. I can agree that there are things not to like about Harris’ proposed policies. But I’m shocked that a majority of American voters would choose a candidate who said (it’s on video) that he will be a dictator on day one. Imagine Americans choosing autocracy over democracy. As we know from history, dictators don’t stop being dictators after day one. I’m shocked that a majority of Americans would choose to throw Ukraine to Putin. America’s history has always been to support democracies, until now. I’m shocked that a majority of American voters would chose for president who believe what Putin says over what his own intelligence agencies say.

I understand that a lot of Americans think the economy is bad, as Trump says, but every economic metric indicates that the US economy has been growing faster under Biden than it did under Trump. I can cut both administrations some slack for Covid because a pandemic causes unanticipated effects, and the economic ramifications were severe. Yet the US bounced back faster than did any other nation. Inflation happened partly because of Covid but moreso because of the response to Covid. As part of the response, both Trump and Biden drove up the US deficit by giving away “free money” to everyone. It’s not for me to say whether they should or shouldn’t have, but whenever a government just prints money – adding to the deficit – inflation always results. But we got it back down to a manageable level in a year and a half, hella’ lot better than we did in the 1970s, for those who remember. So people vote against Biden/Harris because they think the economy is bad, even though it isn’t. It’s always been typical of low information people to expect simple answers to complex problems even though the world often doesn’t work that way.

Over the past 50 years, surveys revealed that 65 to 75% of Americans want legal access to abortion. So color me more than slightly puzzled when a majority of American voters choose the candidate who eliminated federal protection of abortion rights.

This is what America voted for. Trump is a 78-year-old convicted felon who has been found liable for sexual assault and is currently under indictment in a number of jurisdictions. He refused to leave office peacefully when voters elected President Joe Biden in 2020, instead launching an unprecedented attack on the U.S. Capitol to stop the counting of electoral votes, insisting that the election was rigged and fraudulent, even those his own AG and other staffers assured him that it wasn’t. And over 60 lawsuits aimed at election fraud failed, most likely because there was none.

Trump promised he would return to the ideology of the era before 2021, when leaders believed in relying on markets to order the economy with the idea that wealthy individuals would invest more efficiently than if the government regulated business or skewed markets with targeted investment (in green energy, for example). Trump vowed to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations and to make up lost revenue through tariffs, which he incorrectly insists are paid by foreign countries; tariffs are paid by consumers of the products subject to tarrif.

For policies, Trump’s campaign embraced the Project 2025 agenda led by the right-wing Heritage Foundation, which has close ties to Hungary’s Orbán. That plan calls for getting rid of the nonpartisan civil service the U.S. has had since 1883 and for making both the Department of Justice and the military partisan instruments of a strong president, much as Orbán did in Hungary. Yesterday, Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán posted on social media that he had just spoken with Trump, and said: “We have big plans for the future!”

I take this to mean that federal employees and military personnel will no longer swear an oath to the US Constitution, but instead will have to swear loyalty to Trump. It also calls for instituting religious rule, including an end to abortion rights, across the U.S. Part of the idea of “purifying” the country is the deportation of undocumented immigrants: Trump promised to deport 20 million people at an estimated cost of $88 billion to $315 billion a year.

Oh yeah, and about freedom of speech and a free press, Trump wants license revoked from NBC (for fact checking him during his debate with Harris. Never mind that if he weren’t an incessant liar he wouldn’t have to be fact checked all the time.) and from CBS because he didn’t like how they interviewed Harris on 60 Minutes. Of course Trump also had the chance to appear on the program, and he is now the first presidential candidate in over 50 years that the show has been on the air not to be interviewed. It’s going to be interesting to see next year if the first Amendment of the US Constitution will be subject to sane-washing in favor of Trump. That is how the press and TV work in Russia and Hungary.

There is also no doubt that both racism and sexism played an important role in Harris’s defeat.

White nationalist and Nazi Nick Fuentes posted, “Your body, my choice. Forever,” and gloated that men will now legally control women’s bodies. His post got at least 22,000 “likes.” Right-wing influencer Benny Johnson, previously funded by Russia, posted: “It is my honor to inform you that Project 2025 was real the whole time.”

Yesterday, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Trump would launch the “largest mass deportation operation” of undocumented immigrants. We have no idea yet how this will play out or its effects on the US economy. Immigrants, many of them undocumented, play a crucial role in agriculture and the meat packing industries. I’ll say this again, but I think the correct number of undocumented immigrants is ZERO. Congress has kicked this can down the road for too many decades. Why? Partly because certain industries, owned and operated by political conservatives, like undocumented labor because they can pay them less than minimum wage. They can do so because if the worker complains, they are threatened with reporting and deportation. Slick system, for the owners, that is.

As for the lower prices Trump voters wanted, Kate Gibson of CBS today noted that on Monday, the National Retail Federation said that Trump’s proposed tariffs will cost American consumers between $46 billion and $78 billion a year as clothing, toys, furniture, appliances, and footwear all become more expensive. A $50 pair of running shoes, Gibson said, would retail for $59 to $64 under the new tariffs. U.S. retailers are already preparing to raise prices of items from foreign suppliers, passing to consumers the cost of any future tariffs.

Trump’s election will also mean he will no longer have to answer to the law for his federal indictments: special counsel Jack Smith is winding them down ahead of Trump’s inauguration. Good idea since Trump said he will fire Smith and deport him the first second on day one of his administration. (Deport him for what? Doing his job?) So Trump will not be tried or held accountable for illegally retaining classified documents or attempting to overthrow the U.S. government when he lost in 2020.

This was a joke. Trump is a comedian, he has bits.



Because our intelligence agencies are shameless liars of the worst order, they are also the ones in charge of the lying media.



The metrics are false. Fake numbers from a fake administration that has been papering over this problem for awhile.



Yes and who has been printing money for the last 3.5 years, Biden/Harris. This is why the inflation continues. But yes it started under Trump.




Supreme Court turned it over to the states. This isn't an issue with this election because if Trump wins it's a state issue, if Kalama wins it's a state issue.



They were dismissed for lack of standing, not because there was no fraud. It was never actually litigated.



Yeah how are all those Green enegry investments working out? Maybe the people who generated the wealth in the first place ought to decide how to further invest their wealth rather than some uninterested third party bureaucrat.



He's cutting everyone's taxes. Everyone who pays taxes will get taxes cut, not just the wealthy and corporations.



Ok well what you take to mean is phucking insane like most of what you believe and is not well reflected in reality or ever going to happen.



Biden/Harris have been censoring the sh!t out of social media so don't suddenly pretend that your side cares about freedom of speech. The Republican party's platform has freedom of speech on it, your party's platform calls for more censorship. Quit accusing the other side of the things you are guilty of.



I doubt this is the case. What can be asserted without any evidence, can be dismissed without any evidence or argument.



Nick Fuentes endorsed Harris so what exactly is your point here about Harris supporters?



This Russian disinformation guy, who I never heard of and just researched now, has no actual connection to Trump. I never said project 2025 wasn't real or it didn't have supporters, just that it wasn't Trump's project and he doesn't support it and hasn't even read it but he did comment that there are a lot of bad things in it. It's typical of Russian disinformation to post inflammatory content from both political extremes and that looks like what this is. I'm not sure what connection this is supposed to make to Trump.



Yeah and unlike the Democrat party which is still beholden to those interests, which is why they are letting illegal immigrants in like mad, Trump is not. So we might have to pay people picking strawberries a living wage.



Or you could buy the shoes made in America or buy the imported shoes and pay $9 to $14 more in tariffs. I don't understand why you care about this. Just buy American or pay the fee. I don't understand why you care or why I should care.

Also tariffs are not inflationary. As you established already in this very thread printing money to cover deficit spending is what causes inflation not tariffs. So say you pay $14 more on a pair of shoes, this does not cause inflation because you are only looking at the shoe. The $14 in tariffs that goes to the government reduced the deficit dollar for dollar so even though you pay $14 more on the shoe that $14 goes to reduce the deficit and thus inflation in the economy and "everything else" will cost that $14 less. Plus, you could just buy the American shoes if you don't want to donate the tariff money to reduce the deficit and inflation!



Good because those are both fake frivolous cases with no actual legal basis in the law.

Hah, looks like Flatbrim and I still disagree on most things. I'm not buying your "alternative facts." Who'da' thunk it!