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#1064851 - 11/20/24 01:17 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Regarding those nations laughing at the US, you know this how?

I'll reconsult the Federalist Papers regarding Constitutional Republic and Democratic Republic. I'm not sure there's a significant difference, but I'll check, just because it seems to be a point for you.
actually watch the news and pay attention to what's going on in the world salmo. We are clearly the laughing stock with biden/Harris at the helm. Thats why those dipchits didn't get elected. You can reconsult whoever you need to, but to the rest of the world we are known as a 'constitutional republic.' which means nothing close to what you meant. You tried to sound educated and failed. So no need to respond anymore. Thank you.

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#1064852 - 11/20/24 03:34 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Spoon,

We must not hear or read the same news. Maybe you watch FOX, which you may know, went to the SCOTUS to obtain a decision that it does not have to tell its audience the truth. It is infotainment and made up of lies and whatever spin suits them. FOX also paid $867 million to settle a lawsuit with Dominion because they knowingly lied about the role of the voting machines in the 2020 election.

Turns out it's slightly more complex than just Constitutional Republic.

The definitions have drifted over time. Republic comes from ‘res publica’- public good - meaning a state governed in the interests of the general public, not simply directed at the whim and weal of a select few for their own interests. Democracy is of Greek origin called 'Ellenika Demokratia."

But republic has morphed into meaning today ‘a country without a monarchy’. More specifically, it means that the apparatus of state is public property rather than the private property of a monarch. Any organization of government in which the government isn't legally owned by a person is a republic. Republic is form of government where a country is governed by people (mostly through representatives) from which the power is formally derived. In contrast with monarchy where the country is "owned" by monarch from which all political power is formally derived, or theocracy where it is from god/clergy, and other forms.

Democracy is a system of government where the leaders/officials are chosen by election. (minimalistic definition). It is contrasted by authoritarian/totalitarian regimes where the leaders are not selected by election (or the election process is not respected). They are not exclusive and are often combined (US is both), republic doesn't have to be democratic (PRC, DPRK) and democracy doesn't have to be republic (UK).

Republic and democracy are different kinds of things. They are not mutually exclusive either. "Democracy" is a little more debated as a term, but generally it's defined as a system of government in which popular elections determine the organization of the government. Governments like the United States and most of the Western world are referred to by political scientists as "liberal democracies", which are representative democracies governed by the ideological tenets of liberalism (pluralism and freedom of expression and commerce). There are other forms of democracy such as council democracy and direct democracy.

There's a popular narrative that originated in the United States that "It's not a democracy, it's a republic", but that's because those who say it think that it means being a Republican is more legitimate than being a Democrat (yes, it's that stupid). The US is both a republic (the government is public property) and a liberal democracy (it's a representative democracy based on liberal ideals).

Uh, no thanks; I'll decide whether to respond or not.

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#1064853 - 11/20/24 05:15 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Oh please salmo. You aren't teaching anybody here anything. Especially me. You thought you were being smart with you thinking 'democratic and constitutional' were the same thing and looked like a derp. But, but spoon, its more complex than that.... No its not salmo.... Later.

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#1064856 - 11/20/24 09:32 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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I agree with Spoonfed.


Originally Posted By: Salmo g.


There's a popular narrative that originated in the United States that "It's not a democracy, it's a republic", but that's because those who say it think that it means being a Republican is more legitimate than being a Democrat (yes, it's that stupid).



Things that nobody believes for $500, Alex…

I’ve literally heard of nobody say this… ever… and I’ve met some really dumb hillbilly Republicans. People say it’s a Republic because it’s actually what United States is, with “Democratic” as an adjective to describe the type of Republic.

Got damn Salmo has really been struggling here lately.


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#1064858 - 11/21/24 07:20 AM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Imagine being a democrat. Believing in democracy as salmo explained. And think it was okay the way they were trying to install Harris. With no votes. Lol... You cant make this chit up.

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#1064863 - 11/21/24 12:01 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, is it "To the Democracy, for which it stands", or "To the Republic"?

a Republic is a country without a monarch/King/Queen, Communist Leader, Terrorist cell, or whatever other BS controlling it...

the US is, and always will be, a REPUBLIC....
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#1064864 - 11/21/24 01:45 PM Re: It's back! [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: 5 * General Evo
when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, is it "To the Democracy, for which it stands", or "To the Republic"?

a Republic is a country without a monarch/King/Queen, Communist Leader, Terrorist cell, or whatever other BS controlling it...

the US is, and always will be, a REPUBLIC....


You know Salmo has slipped a ways when Evo makes more compelling points. Salmo probably should retire from PP as well.


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#1064865 - 11/21/24 03:57 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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America is the land of the free and Salmo is free to have his views, opinions, and speech.

To pick on someone for having their own views is BS.

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#1064866 - 11/21/24 04:42 PM Re: It's back! [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
America is the land of the free and Salmo is free to have his views, opinions, and speech.

To pick on someone for having their own views is BS.
no chit. Is this coming from the guy that pokes fun at the gays from Seattle?

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#1064878 - 11/23/24 09:13 AM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Absolutely.
Gay is a major portion of today's mental illness.
Even mammals with the brain of deer can figure out what's right.

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#1064968 - 12/06/24 12:55 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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#1064969 - 12/06/24 01:48 PM Re: It's back! [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
Absolutely.
Gay is a major portion of today's mental illness.
Even mammals with the brain of deer can figure out what's right.


Being gay was considered a mental illness up until 1973 when it was removed from the DSM-3. What changed? Well, nothing really except increased social tolerance for sexual deviance. Much of what gets classified as a mental health disorder is driven by shifts in collective societal perspectives.

The shift in definition from gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria is a good example. Instead of incongruence between sex and gender being the criteria for a mental illness, it now has to cause distress within the individual to be a mental illness. Society accepts, normalizes and even encourages being trans. Also, it isn’t “normal” to be gay as the mind and physical attraction is not congruent with the person’s biology. This is a mental problem.


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#1064973 - 12/06/24 08:00 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Well kinda queer isn't it?

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#1064982 - 12/07/24 12:44 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Streamer]
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Originally Posted By: Streamer
Being gay was considered a mental illness up until 1973 when it was removed from the DSM-3. What changed? Well, nothing really except increased social tolerance for sexual deviance. Much of what gets classified as a mental health disorder is driven by shifts in collective societal perspectives.


Hey did you know the reason they took it out? It had nothing to do with a reasoned debate on the merits but due to violent protests that disrupted the American Psychological Associations (APA) annual meetings. Gay rights activists disrupted the APA convention in 1970-1973. The APA board of trustees voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM-III. It was taken out with a threat of force from activists and protesters. So the reason homosexuality isn't considered mental illness officially is the threat of violence, you will declare me sane or I will hurt you! A fist is not an argument, it is an expression of aggression, frustration, or dominance, whereas an argument is a verbal exchange of opposing views, opinions, or claims.

The debate surrounding the classification of homosexuality continues behind closed doors, with some psychiatrists arguing that the removal of homosexuality from the DSM was premature or misguided. For example, having one mental illness you are more likely to have another mental illness comorbidity with it. Now if you are homosexual, even if we don't consider that a mental illness, you are still more likely to have another mental illness comorbidity with your homosexuality. Just like we would expect if it were a mental illness. Another thing is does this mental condition cause you to lose a significant part of your life, well yes you don't reproduce and now are sterile, so I'd say under this rubric, it also qualifies as a mental illness, in that your illness, sterility, is caused by your mental condition. Research suggests that gay individuals, particularly men, tend to be more present-oriented in their daily lives and decision-making processes with a focus on immediate gratification and increased emphasis on hedonism with less emphasis on long-term planning than heterosexuals. Present oriented individuals tend to focus on the current moment and may struggle with anxiety or depression related to past traumas or future uncertainties. Some common present oriented mental illnesses include: Dissociation, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. There is an increase in these disorders in gay people.

Now I'm not saying gays should be lobotomized or imprisoned. We can admit they have a mental illness and still treat them well. But perhaps we don't have to celebrate their lifestyle and can keep them away from children. It's like don't be rude to a guy in a wheelchair and that is fine but do we want encourage children to break their legs to grow up to be in a wheelchair?

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#1064987 - 12/07/24 11:13 PM Re: It's back! [Re: Salmo g.]
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Valid.

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