Thank you sir for doing the miserable deed you were forced to do.
You saved many innocent, soft targets from a hostile actor with malicious intentions.
It's pathetic that your reward was a near prison sentence delivered by the public you served that day in the subway.
Unfortunately some shouldn't be entitled to a place in society and evil earns it's place once again.
Our world is a safer place thanks to you.

Unfortunately, the parents who abandoned this lifetime criminal with 42 arrests in the last decade will tie Penny up in court and bankrupt him with a civil suit.

Also, he still might go to prison. Only the manslaughter charge was dismissed. The jury will now deliberate on the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide, which carries a maximum sentence of up to four years in prison.

Sickening

Not guilty..

It’s the right call. Glad things turned out the way they did.

Did Penny take it too far with the chokehold? Maybe?

But as I’ve stated before, this is a government created problem that shifted criminal problem solving to citizens. Police and DA’s won’t do anything anymore and have allowed for too much criminal activity. People are fed up and willing to take matters into their own hands to keep order and safety in society. The jury agrees.

Justice for Neely? He deserves none. A repeat criminal with mental illness deserves what he got. If anyone wants to assign blame, then blame Democrats for this anti-criminalization movement and not getting him the treatment he needed. The blood is on their hands. No one else’s.


Streamer

Streamer-1000 percent

Police are not to blame for crime, its wholly the fault of socialist democratic politics that have villainized the cops. Dems to blame for every blue led crime ridden city and their insatiable thirst for virtue signaling and not saying the obvious truth on who commits crimes. Did police go too far in some cases? yeah, but individual cops should be held accountable, not the entire profession. When the Dems decided that rule of law was less important than the "restorative justice" nonsense, quality of life for the rest of us immediately deteriorated

If Neely was either in prison or in a mental health institution instead of being released onto the streets he would be alive today. What is the compassionate choice? Probably mental health institution but if not that prison is still more compassionate than leaving him out on the streets to die. Leaving people with mental health issues to fend for themselves on the streets is the least compassionate of all policies.

In the last few weeks...

Trump landslide win
Full control of congress
Trump cases all dropped
Major companies drop DEI
Cable news ratings collapse
World leaders kneel to Trump
Epic nominees for the Cabinet
Laken Riley's killer is found guilty
Daniel Perry fully acquitted in NY

Team MAGA just keeps winning!

No doubt.
Accountability is scary to the unaccountable.

Recently America got a whole lot Greater.

When did the narrowest win in recent presidential election history (roughly 1.5%) become a "landslide win?"

When the Dems moved the goal posts.

For Trump, 1.5% is a landslide!

A well articulated point you make there, Eddie.

Not so sure about that. Trump was scared enough of accountability to run for prez again to escape it.

Underrated comment.


Streamer

A landslide is when you win...

the popular vote
the electoral college
all 7 swing states
the house
the senate

and already control the supreme court, I'd call that a landslide. What do the dems even control at this point? A couple of blue states full of stupid jerks and losers.

Hope this helps.

Democrats need to seriously re-evaluate their party positions and find ways to re-connect with the American people. The identity politics, lies, condescension, eagerness for war and incessant need for control isn’t going to win over the majority people.

My aunt who is an overly dogmatic boomer voted for Harris in the election. The other day I asked her what she liked about Harris and why she would make a great president. Her answer was, “Well my parents always voted for Democrats and so do I.” I asked her if she recognizes any differences between the party of 40 years ago and currently and she said “it’s still the same party.”

I’m hopeful that as we move forward, the dogmatic boomers who vote for “democrats no matter what” will eventually die off and take their ill-informed politics with them.


Streamer

I am about halfway through a very interesting book that, so far, explains a lot about American politics. I thought I had a pretty good education on American History. But if this book is right, I missed a lot.

The thesis of the book is that North America, mostly the US but including Canada and norther Mexico, is made up of essential eight separate countries. Each founded by different people with different histories, cultures, governments, and expectations. For example, the French worked with the indigenous peoples while those from the British Isles worked to extirpate them. The Deep South, the agricultural part of it, was very slavery driven and governed by a few elites. Few other than the landed class had any say in government. The Appalacians were founded by Scots-Irish who basically governed themselves, period. New England was made up of all farmers, businessmen, artisans, and such who believed very strongly in community government. And so it went. Each was founded by folks with very different ideas and even the Revolutionary War was nowhere near a consensus action.

Long way of saying that Streamer is very correct that if the Democrats want to get back in the game they need to seriously look at history and expectations. That, and as I have heard a lot recently, they have to actually deliver programs that succeed.

I think the Right is winning a lot because people want something done to fix issues and the Left has simply not done much for folks. I am not sure the Right has done much, either, but the have promised change from the current morass.

The Nine Nations of North America by Joel Garreau? Like name the book bro. Anyway, I think this is the book you are describing. If not, check it out. Another on this subject I also like is Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America David Hackett Fischer.

American Nations by Colin Woodard. Originally written in 2011, updated in 2022. He identifies eleven Regional Cultures.

OK, reading it now. I'm like 5% of the way in. So far I recognize all the areas mentioned. Looks like he mentioned also the Nine Nations of North America by Garreau and Fischer's Albion Seed.

I agree with Streamer that Democrats need to re-evaluate party positions, especially with respect to identity politics, to the extent I understand what "identity politics" means. I'm not so sure about the lies; after all, the Rs lie like crazy, and it's working out way better than I expected. Apparently how one lies matters more than just lying. I think Streamer will be disappointed about Boomers dying off because the least informed liberal political views are mostly embraced by the young.

I think the incoming Trump administration will do more to reconnect Americans with the Democratic Party than did the Democratic Party. When prices don't come down and go up even more (thanks Trump tariffs!), and the price of gas goes up even more (thanks Trump tariffs on Canadian and Mexican oil imports!), and the impact of Bidenomics infrastructure, chips and science bill, etc. begin paying off, and Americans discover that government of the people, and by the rice, and for the rich, the ranks of Democratic voters will increase significantly.

I agree that I will be disappointed as liberal and left views are predominantly embraced by the young, however they are still young enough to gain the life experience that shape them to see the world more practically and less idealistically. There is at least hope with them.

Boomers are older and stuck in their ways. Leftist boomers are a lost cause at this point. I still maintain my current opinion that anyone older than about 40 or so (give or take) that still embraces leftist politics is dealing with mental health issues of some sort, and at a minimum arrested development as they lack the lived experience necessary to help them see the world in more practical ways.


Streamer

I just finished reading it. Not a bad book. I don't think there was anything new in there that I didn't already know but it was a decent read at least. Most books are written based on previously written books and I had read the books that were written previously that this book was based on. They did sort of imply that the natives were peaceful when this was far from the case. Especially with the Aztecs who sacrificed at least tens of thousands in a single day, but this book isn't on the subject of the crimes of the natives, it would be more fair to characterize the period as mixed instead of peaceful Indians falling to the Spanish. It repeats this bias later whenever Indians are mentioned, they are always innocent and their crimes are not mentioned, when in fact, they did have some crimes. This "nativewashing" of history is a pretty common bias in contemporary literature but understand that the actual situation was more complex than the idealized stories told here. Sometimes when two groups of people are in conflict instead of one being the hero and the other the villain, often they are both heroes and villains simultaneously. Other than this one bias, it was fairly accurate and unbiased.

I am of Quaker/Borderlander descent, my wife borderlander. They did have a bit about the borderlanders coming across the Oregon trail on wagons to fill in the countryside in the Pacific Northwest where the Yankees came by boat and filled the cities. This Yankee city Borderlander town/country rift is the same as the Democrat / Republican rift in this state. One nice line in there was about how the borderlanders have equal contempt for the Yankee teachers as they do for the Deep South aristocratic slave lords. Yup. I don't know why both the Yankees and Southern aristocrats are so controlling with other people's lives and don't believe in individual freedom like quakers and borderlanders do. There was another part of the book talking about the difference between the idea of liberty vs the idea of freedom. Where I very much have the Quaker/Borderlander conception of freedom as an individual’s ability to pursue their own interests and desires vs liberty as rights and responsibilities due to your place in the hierarchy.

One last tidbit was that in the midwest they use the term "Yankeed" to mean cheated or tricked. I'm going to start using that one. Next time they start their sanctimonious preaching about some social justice issue. I'll say, don't Yankee me bro.

In elections, if the books are correct in their view, then "identity politics" doesn't work because where you are culturally from may be more important than your race or age or suchlike. What struck me, and I still have a ways to go, was that the hispanic members of the Norte cultural group are very different in the political views than the southern Mexico, Caribbean, etc. And yet, the press and likely political parties look at them as having the same views.

Amusing. And, dare I say, prepare to be disappointed.

Maybe?

As to my belief, it is consistent with with the idea of idealism vs. realism. Leftist leaning individuals are idealistic in nature. In terms of life stages, "idealism" often represents a younger, more optimistic perspective where individuals tend to focus on grand possibilities, high ideals, and believe in significant change, while "realism" is associated with later life stages where people tend to be more grounded, pragmatic, and accept the limitations of the world as it is, often prioritizing practical solutions over lofty dreams or ideals.

In early-adulthood, this is often seen as a period of idealism, where young adults may be passionate about social change, pursue lofty career aspirations, and believe in their ability to make a significant impact. Approaching mid-adulthood is where the switch to realism begins. As individuals gain more life experience, they generally transition towards a more realistic perspective, balancing idealism with practical considerations, acknowledging trade-offs and making more calculated decisions. Later-adulthood is when individuals further lean towards realism, prioritizing stability, security, and making choices that align with their current priorities and limitations.

If by mid-adulthood leftists haven’t gained lived experience to shape their views to being more balanced with realism, it sheds light on being behind in developmental milestones. Mental health issues are almost always the reason for this.

So what are your mental health issues Salmo? Or are you such a brainwashed, mid-level IQ that you can’t see outside of your confined, narrow-minded, tribalistic, “never Republican” views?


Streamer

"So what are your mental health issues Salmo? "

My main mental health issue leans toward being too tolerant of those with vacuous intellect and lacking in critical analytical thinking skill. Other than that I remain quite well balanced. Thank you for asking.

Yeah but you chose to marry her and the other ones are your daughters so good on you for being tolerant of the lack of critical thinking in your family. Also what is good for the goose is good for the gander, so we are also, all quite tolerant of your voluminous posts vividly illustrating your lack of critical analytical thinking skills.

"My main mental health issue leans toward being too tolerant of those with vacuous intellect and lacking in critical analytical thinking skill. Other than that I remain quite well balanced. Thank you for asking."

You also have that extra long arm that allows you to pat yourself on the back.
Congrats.