He can’t because there isn’t any. He claims to formulate his opinions from what science and research suggests. He isn’t following his own rule on the topic of covid. As I stated previously, science was not on the side of covid protocols yet he continues to support them with no evidence.

Strange how even a supposedly smart guy has blind spots and can’t recognize his own limitations.



Streamer

Salmo admits to not having read anything about masks and Covid in the last two years. Last I heard was that airborne viruses, like Covid, along with bacteria, generally cling to respiratory droplets too, so that many of them end up being stopped by the mask. If that has been demonstrated to be wrong, then I'll accept it. Contrary to what some of you have decided about me, I am all about "Let us seek the truth and go where it leads us."

Streamer, of course I'm more concerned about potential effects of a virus on me than I am about society in general. Society in general consists of about 47% Trump voters. Obviously I don't give a sh!t about them; that would be counter-productive and a clear waste of concern.

You live in the right town to have that attitude.
Your downtown is a chithole.
Good night.

Salmo, because you are a selfish boomer who doesn’t mind authoritarian mandates that significantly impact everyone else as long as “I have muhhhh safety.” There is nothing wrong with having no mandates but encouraging everyone to take their own precautions. You could have easily stayed home watching your CNN boomer box and ordered groceries for delivery and it would have made no difference to you. Instead, “I need muhhh mandates” in order to unnecessarily drag everyone else down to your level of misery. You are actually a terrible person for this.

Still, no studies showing effectiveness of mask usage, but plenty of studies showing their ineffectiveness. There are also and more studies that show covid mandates did nothing. One that I have a copy of is from The Mercatus Center at George Mason University that found,

“We find that indoor vaccine mandates had no significant impact on COVID-19 vaccine uptake, cases, or deaths across all nine cities that implemented the policy.”

Seriously, Salmo. You are supposedly a scientist but you seem to be wrong about all the science related to covid. You’ve posted research about fisheries topics in the past. You ever wonder why you aren’t able to provide research to support your positions about anything related to covid? Yeah… because there is none.



Streamer

Can scientists be bought by large corporations?

Streamer,

I oppose authoritarian mandates almost always. I went along with what I thought was the best available science at the time during covid. I have two friends whose careers were in the health industry, and they had a lot of connections in high places. So I sought their advice about both masks and the vaccine. We had no way of knowing at that time that the advice might be wrong. Quite clearly I am not a Covid scientist and haven't been reading recent reports about the vaccine and masks.

BTW, I don't watch CNN and never once ordered groceries delivered. I went to the grocery store and put on a mask like everyone else. I don't need mandates, I'm not miserable, and I'm not trying to drag anyone anywhere. I went along with the mandates because we're a pluralist society where the majority makes the decision (the majority being represented by the elected officials). When new information supersedes the old, officials will make new and better decisions in the future. I think this is critical because pandemics are likely to occur more frequently because of the magnitude of international travel.

WDFW x 1=0,

Yes, like the "oldest profession" scientists can be bought. Curiously, I think, is that scientists are most often bought by Republican corporate owners to fend off regulations that put human safety over corporate profit. You can test this by examining a list of registered lobbyists of Congress. The good guys are vastly outnumbered by the bad guys.

Who judges them "good" and "bad"?

The peer review process and clear, cogent, and convincing or the preponderance of evidence.

Fair enough.

There is what the peer reviewed evidence says and then what the economically driven policy says. And, depending of what you worship, good and bad are relative.'

This almost sounds like a confession. Are you ready to admit you were wrong in allowing this severe overreach to occur since you “oppose authoritarian mandates almost always” but didn’t this one time? Maybe you could have encouraged the best “science” at the time to be a guideline instead of a mandate?

You rollover way too easily and have no backbone and your actions and behaviors are completely inconsistent with your words and thoughts.


Streamer

Not a confession at all. The best available science indicated that the covid virus was both deadly and highly contagious. Given those as the only truth we knew, a guideline would not have prevented contagion and allowed many more people to become infected. The mandate was seen as necessary to prevent wide scale transmission of the virus.

My actions were entirely consistent with how I felt about Covid. I used a mask, got vaccinated, and lived like a recluse for a year.

So what law allows for the quarantine of healthy individuals? There were laws allowing the quarantine of unhealthy individuals for a limited period of time and could be challenged in court but where are the laws allowing the quarantine of healthy individuals for months and months without any review of this in court? There aren't any such laws, which is why the mandates were unconstitutional and unjust abuse of tyrannical government power because such power to do mandates was never ceded to the government by we the people.

Also if the mask and vaccine you got worked, then why did you need to live like a recluse for a year?

FP - because the risk of Covid was significant enough to overide the faith in masks and vaccine. You only get to make the judgement in hindsight.

"Also if the mask and vaccine you got worked, then why did you need to live like a recluse for a year?"

Even at the outset we knew that masks and vaccines were not 100% effective. That's never a realistic expectation. Social distancing works; i.e., the more I don't hang out around little kids, the more I don't catch colds or flu.