...WITH A POCKET FULL OF SHELLS !!!

Come wit it now!!

Yesterday, I posted a partially racist comment about a t-shirt that was quoted. This is in regards to the events around NYC. My best fried from college and his entire family live and work right there, and it's believed that he and if not his brother as well, may be lost in the WTC catastrophe.

My prayers go out as these events shook the very foundation of we as a people. There's no second guessing that this was work by bin Laden, and I bet covert operations have been setup over in Afghan. for over 8 hours now waiting to strike, and strike hard!!

Iraq says we deserved it. BOMB THAT ****ING PLACE TOO. It's time the STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD *****slaps these little countries into oblivion and says, "Shut da **** up" *slap*.

It's time to strike and it's time to not turn our backs on the other Palenstinian countries, or Muslim occupied territories. Genocide. Pure and simple. We are dealing with insane people so reasoning has been thrown out the door. It's time to just walk up to the culprits and CLICK CLICK BOOM!

OZZIE, you and your family have not been forgotten.

Let us not forget which "machine" they are "raging" against, `neck.

Remember that when you see Palestinians and Iraqis celebrating what happened yesterday they have likely never meet a real American. They are only going by what they are told about us by their leaders. Just like when the US and USSR were in the grips of the Cold War. It wasn't until after the USSR crumbled were we able to see with clear eyes and see that behind all that rhetoric that we were led to believe that these people were, in fact, merely humans that were very afraid.

In Iraq there is a minority ruler in there that is doing everything in it's power to literally starve-out the opposition. Most of the people are scared to death of their own leadership, let alone the Satan in the West.

Before we condemn a whole country for the words of a few let's remember that a politically-unstable nation's leader doesn't always speak for the whole country.

Heywood,

Since the beginning of this situation, I have seen some of the most mellow posts come from you. Thanks for changing your tone, but in this case, I disagree with you.

We must start to resolve this situation by finding those responsible, and eliminating them. Then, we get everyone in their organization, and eliminate them. Then we get anyone who feels sorry for these pukes and eliminate them.

Step two involves an all out war on ANY terrorist organization, and we eliminate them. This includes militant factions of the IRA, those tree hugging ELF *******s, and anyone else who has caused harm through the use of terror.

The editorial letter from that guy in Canada described how we consistantly help everyone. We even help out the folks we beat in wartime. We basically helped to rebuild the country of Japan, even after they blindsided us and committed numerous attrocities against the citizens of the world.

If we are to end this reign of terror, we need to start with a rain of bombs. They picked a fight, and any country or group that supports these folks needs to wiped off of the face of the earth. Surgical strikes will not accomplish anything. All you have to do is to look at Israel to see that that has little if any effect.

It is time to say, "It's our way, or the highway to Allah."

I am not condoning any attacks on the good arab folks out there, of which there are many right here in the U.S. Just as innocent civilians died here in the U.S., many are going to die over there. It is the *******s who rewrite the koran for their own perverted uses that I want gone.

We have suffered 10's of thousands of injured and dead. It is there turn now. We should not stop until we get them all, and if we miss one, and they get some followers, then we keep on going after them as long as they exist.

There is no rule book to the war they wage on us, so we need to toss this kinder, gentler book of ours in the trash, and start acting like the big dog we are.

Enough said?

Andy

Nothing could ever effectively work to separate the "evil" ones from the "good" ones, yet I find it disturbing that so many would be willing to stoop to the level of the terrorists by killing thousands of innocents in hopes that you kill one guilty person.

Timothy McVeigh referred to this as "collateral damage". Are you willing to take the lives of innocent women, children, and infants to extract your revenge? If so, then we are no different than the monsters that perpetrated these crimes against us.

Don't misunderstand, I want the guilty parties drawn and quartered. I just don't believe that killing the innocent ever is justified.

Heywood,

You must come to the realization that such is the nasty business of WAR. It's not a matter for discussion anymore, it's down and dirty. Forget the UN, negotiations and the like. These factions must be eliminated at any cost. The civilized world will support the collateral damage in pursuit of this goal. The freedom of the world as we know it is at stake. Those nations that oppose us are our enemies, plain and simple. The cheek isn't going to be turned this time. Accept it!

The prior statement could have easily come from the hands of the terrorists in either this or the OK City attack. What makes us any better then?

Yea, right. You're the man Heywood.

It's not a matter of who's better. It's a matter of values and principle. We value the lives of our friends and family. I'm certain that the people who did this to us do not! We don't condone the slaughter of innocent civilians except in a time of WAR. That is a distinction that makes us different. On principle we must take appropriate action to insure this is the last time this happens. Otherwise, they will do it again.

What do you stand for Heywood? When is it time to stand up? How many times do we let them attack us? This is the worst attack on the US mainland ever! If not now, when?

And P.S. What the heck is your nick all about!!! Geez, grow up!!!

Yeah I agree with blowmie. Let's not kill em all JUST MOST OF THEM EVIL CS'RS

GutZ

No. Upon further thought and consideration,
KILL THEM ALL!

Hey,

Come on dude--Genocide. How can think that? Can you see the moniter through your white hood? Thats like saying all people from the south are idiots. All Americans have been rocked by this news-we are rational.

"We don't condone the slaughter of innocent civilians except in a time of WAR".

Scary. Very scary.

I agree with Heywood. Killing innocent civilians and all Muslims as some of you have advocated is not the solution. That makes us no better than the terrorists. In fact killing innocents will quickly create more terrorists,and provoke more terrorist attacks. I agree that we are in a state of war and the individuals responsible must be punished, but not at the expense of stooping to the same level as the sick individuals responsible for the attacks. Imagine if we would have began exterminate Japanese, Germans, and Italians during WWII just because of the atrocities commited by these countries during the war.
May Peace and sanity return soon.
-Steve

Genocide. Look up the word.

Genocide on terrorism and on the guilty *******s. This **** has gone on for more than 2,000 years and it's time it's finally stopped.

Genocide on terrorism....down the whole line, that way his cousin's uncle's brother's camel walker won't come back and bomb my friends and family anymore. Nuff said.

And yes, I am calm. The cheek will no longer be turned, and with a 100-0 vote, I see I am not alone my [Bleeeeep!].

The point I want to make here is that the government's like Afghanastan and Syria have to be held responsible for providing safe havens for these terrorists. I am not about killing innocent people but in order to end this kind of madness some innocent lives have to be lost.... unless these governments cooperate and help bring in terrorists like Bin Laden. Even if Bin Laden did not do this he was responsible for the bombing in Yemen (16 people died).Without these safe havens I don't think it would have been possible for the people responsible to gain access to the information that they needed to carry out this mission. This was some heavy duty military action that needed millions of dollars and lots of information. Information that may have leaked to our intelligence agencies if it were not for these safe havens. We can't sit around and wait to find Bin Laden or whoever we need help from the government's that protect these people. If cooperation is not taken then the innocent lives that may be lost are at the faualt of the Taliban (majority rule by the way)

well I hope all of your families and friends are safe and well. God bless the wounded and dead

devine

If you honestly believe that we'll be able to put an end to 2000 years of religious warfare then you haven't been reading enough.

Kill the *******(s) involved, but even more important kill the HATRED.

Yeah, Geez, Genocide. I guess the smoke from all the burning bodies must still be clouding my judgement. We should really apologize for pissing these guys off enough to commit this horrible act. I'm sorry for advocating killing all of them

We haven't had nukes until just recently. The Afghan mountainside would look beautiful as a wheat field once the radiation levels cool off. These guys are screwed and everyone knows it. I feel for the people caught in the middle because of their gov't's actions, but if they were that against it, they would move.....and whip those camels hard because we'll be coming fast...OH GOLLY GOSH.

Oh No, I am not knowing what to do. Oh Golly Gosh. I'm sorry for being in a militant Islamic group responsible for embassy bombings, 3 WTC attacks in which the last 2 leveled them...they are gone. This is not a militant pissed off white guy who's responsible and we all know it, and they know we know it. They are so scared now because they realize we're going to attack any country harboring this activity, so they deny the attacks so we won't squash Afghan.

There will be no end Dave; I know that. You know and I know that I'm venting because I'm seriously upset about my friend, who by the way, is muslim. Either way, his family is ****ed because, if they surivived the crashes, they have to deal with the hatred firsthand like they had a hand to deal with in these attacks.

Heywood,

I am not for genocide. I am for eliminating the a-holes that did this, their families, and their supporters. If we only go after them, then the next guy in line will step up to strap on the TNT blazer so he can take out 40 or 50 more people. If this group is large, then so be it. They only have a few hundred million targets here in the U.S., so what is your cut-off before we get tough?

These terrorists do not fight fair. That is why all attempts to fight them in the past have failed, because we do have a rule book.

It is a sad state of affairs when we must consider the killing of innocents, but man has accepted this as an undesirable side effect of war. We are at war, don't kid yourself. I don't want any innocents person on their side killed, but from the celebrations seen in their streets, it is certainly apparent that they couldn't give a flying [Bleeeeep!] about us. That doesn't make them seem so innocent, does it now?

We must make it very undesirable to be near these bad guys. We must make it dangerous to associate with them.

Anything less than the complete erradication of these groups is unacceptable, because they will keep on sending their zealots over here to kill us.

Killing isn't a pleasant affair. It is necessary in some situations, and this is the time. We need to make a point to anyone out there thinking of similar attacks that if you mess with us, the hornets will be after you, and we won't stop until you get stung.

GW needs to repeal the presidential order outlawing assassination as a tool of diplomacy. All it takes is a signature. that would send a rather powerful message to those that would send their followers to their deaths in attempts to kill us.

Andy

So great... we bomb the hell out of the A***anis... Those rag head beard twisters don't have jack to bomb. The damn place looks like a desert already. They have nothing of value to destroy. I submit that we take our time, find the main man and destroy him and his possie. Do not doubt that there are some scared SOB's in that region right now who will sell the guy out to save there own butts. All the talk about genocide sorta brings down our own mentality... his is going down... hard... soon.. and I doubt we have to go with nukes to take out these goat herders

B-run,

You are so right in many ways. It would be useless to bomb them into the stone age, because they are already there. We need to wage an all out war on these terrorist, any terrorist group, and we need to get there supporters as well. Anything less than that is unacceptable. Some innocent folks will die, because these weenies hide in the population. It is sad, but I believe it is necessary.

Listen the way allot of you guys are talking you are stooping to the same levels as these people who committed this atrocity. That has been the great thing about America and what we stand for. To say lets bomb them all and commit a genocide of the arabs then we are no better then they. What we need to do is recind the presidential order on state sponsered assasinations and hit these things where it hurts. Take out leaders, Sadam, Taliban, Usama and the like then sponser people with good agendas. I am active duty military by the way so I do feel greatly for all those that lost people they know and love. We need some rules though.

Jason S

"Sorry bout the gramatical errors earlier I was and still am hot of all the talk of genocide and racism in this thread"

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: JasonS ]

I can tell by your statement that you are not really reading what I am saying, and sadly I cannot make you open your eyes or mind remotely. Hopefully by pointing this out you will go back and reread what I said and realize that I'm not taking a pussified stance in this matter. I want these murders put to death a thousand times over. I do not, nor will I ever, believe that killing innocent people is an acceptable toll.

I love the "lets all hold hands and sing Coom ba ya" attitude from some here.

Simply removing the perps and associates that did this does nothing, NOTHING.

We shouldn't stoop to their level ---Wake up. Flattenning a harboring country is NOT stooping to their level. It is about sending a brutally clear message to every piece of crap country out there that if they let *****s like these operate or hide in their country, they are just as guilty and will be dealt a very deadly, thorough response. Period. No negotiations. No trials. No public death sentences. All of these simply make them martyrs for the cause and glorify what they did.

Innocents will die. Welcome to war. Better them then us. Period.

If the leader is holding the country hostage, they need to rise up and overcome. That is what Americans did many years ago to provide this freedom we (now) enjoy. No man, faction, or country will take that away. If it costs them many lives, well that is truly the price of freedom. Nothing has changed regarding that and it never will.

Freedom is not free.

Guys, I hear you. I wear green to work every day as I am a soldier. My comrades in arms were one of the targets. America as a whole is pi$$ed off about this whole event. We must not loose sight of the fact that terrorists are cowards, trying to intimidate all of the country. My personal anger agrees with many of you, nuke'em till they glow. However, this will not accomplish anything other than to strenghten the sorry ragheads resolve. Some of you have suggested assination....that is EXACTLY the type of mission that the special forces soldiers are trained to do: go in, discreetly, take the sorry SOBs out, and exit quietly. It is not all that easy given the political climate, however, for a change, the majority ot the world is on our side. The President has said we will hunt the responsible individuals down; let's all hope he is as strong as ol' Ronny Raygun when he bombed Mo Quadify after the attack on the German night clubs in the mid 80's, killing numerous American soldiers and airmen. Our military WILL prevail, as will the American people. God bless all those who died in the attacks, and keep the families in your prayers, and for those who are still alive in the rubble of the towers and the pentagon.[EMAIL][/EMAIL]

Jason S. Could you please edit your post and use a capital "A" in America. Thanks.

All I have to say is....an Eye for an Eye

I say we just level the whole freaking place and build a walmart

I don't want to hear this crap about killing innocent people,it's time to show the rest of the world that enough is enough,
Remember they declared war on us......Os

There is nothing at all wrong with hating the people responsible for doing this. Right now, weather or not I sound like a Rascist is not a real high priority to me. Collateral damage? Hell yes! I don't mind breaking a few eggs to make a cake and I sure wouldn't mind having to kill a few thousand innocent arabs in order to insure the deaths of those few that were responsible. Call me Racist, call me a Nazi and compare my thinking to that of Hitler.... I relly don't care. Right now what we need to do is start exacting some retrobution that is so terrible, so unspeakable, that the peaple who committed these acts against our country will think twice next time, and if that means that we have to commit a few human rights violations to get our point accross, then so be it. War is never pretty, and why in the world should we show any sort of deceny or compassion to any country that would harbor terrorist groups? Kill the men, women, and children of those countries.... Torture them..... Crucify a few thousand of them and perform "Scientific Research" on a few thousand more. It sounds harsh, but the end result will justify the means used to obtain it.

Genocide on Terrorism you *****es. Stop trying to twist **** all around.

What you do not realize is that these ****s have declared a Gihad (sp) which is a holy war. You don't just go ok, we're sorry and you're sorry and we can all get along. Nope. Sorry. That means they will keep on coming and keep on coming if they think they did an act in the name of God as those that die in a Gihad are and will forever be portrayed as heroes. The terrorists involved in these attacks that died, their families are living like kings now.

The people put or keep leaders in power, no matter how big the military was that put those in power by force. If they were so against this way of thinking, they'd overpower or move. And yes, everyone has the capabilities to move..even on foot.

They declared war on us.

Yes, we can end 2,000 years of fighting in the Middle East. It is written.

WOW! Some of us JUST AREN'T GETTING IT!

Death is something that these fanatics WELCOME. They believe heaven awaits those who die fighting the evil enemy (us). Collateral damage? ONLY BARBARIANS SUCH AS THE TERRORISTS would disregard the lives of innocent people. The vast majority of Afghan people, and the people of other Arab countries are poor goat herders and nomads. All they know about America is the PROPAGANDA that they were fed by their corrupt governments. One thing that I will gaurantee, If we go and indiscriminantly kill thousands of innocent people, it will only serve to strengthen the hatred of America throughout the world. Do you think China would sit back and do nothing while we annhilate the whole middle east? What about India, Pakistan, all of the other nations with nuclear capability. Genocide of the Arab people would bring about WW3, and the end of the world. Is that collateral damage enough for you?

We need PRECISION strikes on those responsible, and any other GROUP OR GOVERNMENT that engages in, or assists in any way, terrorist activities. If that means that we have to wipe out the military of Afghanistan, then so be it. But, killing innocent people in the name of revenge IS NOT THE ANSWER! Remember also, any kind of ground war means that American soldiers could be killed. An eye for an eye, as was stated above should be applied here, let's just make SURE that we put out the right eye.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: 4Salt ]

Ive been keeping quite about is whole situation.... Now I am speaking up.

This is my opioin......

To all you whiners *****ing about innocent people dieing.... Shut the **** up! How many innocent people died tuesday mmorning? Too many. How many people died when the flea infested camel jockeys bombe 2 of our imbassies? Too many. Its time to show the terrorists and the countries that harbor them why we our the worlds only super power.
NATO said they were going to inact article 5. Last I heard there were 18 members of NATO. We have there backing. So lets go show the *******s hell on earth! Lets not stop until every single on of the ****s is a smoldering pile of guts...........

Hey man,

Everyone has an opinion as to how this should be dealt with. Don't EVEN go around telling people to shut the f%&k up. We can all speak our minds because we ARE AMERICANS. If you want to turn the Middle East into a Christmas tree ornament, fine, but don't tell anybody else what they should be thinking and saying. Osama bin Laden told HIS followers what they should be thinking and saying. Do you want to join that company??

Flea-infested camel jockeys? mmmmmmmmmmkay.

Do you think it would really take 10,000 years for the middle east to stop glowing? I'll bet they estimated high...... lets go for it. If china dont like it, kick their *** too. Time to stop trying to engage in a "polite" war. We might be the only country on earth that attempts it (and no it doesn't make us better than them, it makes OUR inocent citizen die). We just got kicked in the balls, time to open the whole can of whoop ass.

What you need to stop and realize is that the payback is comming... and soon. AT THIS VERY MOMENT... some third world goat herder is on the phone with the crap scared out of him. He is selling out his "Gihad" buddys left and right.. Not only the group of guys that did this but the rest of them in the whole region. They fully understand that this time they picked a fight that we are going to finish. The world is behind us. They have no chance.

CNN has no real idea whats really going on. In reality, G.W has been putting the whole region on the carpet and they are going to lick our feet. The same foot thats going to kick their ass..

Trust the gov on this one guys.. never in the history of this nation has the population been so totally pissed off. The payback is coming in a big way and I am betting that when its all said and done, we will have handled it like world leaders, and not morons

As a volunteer fireman the video clip of all those aid trucks side by side with their doors open in that eerie scene of nuclear winter will haunt me forever. All of those heroic guys and gals gone forever but their rigs side by side will ever be there in my soul forever.

Any nation that harbors this filth shut down their borders ...nothing in and nothing out. Same for any nation doing business with them.
Wall them in and let them die. The Palestinians...too bad...you've chosen your ground now learn to love it dudes. Nothing in or out. Any company or individual doing business with these countries are going to jail if they continue. No more talkin. People talk about remaining civilized well these people were reportedly one of the original great civilizations except they still believe in this crap. H@ll they still believe that weekend entertainment is raiding the village next door for women and goats! Well let's give it to them in full measure and let them choke on it. Sympathy for the innocent? The only way to find the end to this is just like a dam good bar fight...if you don't want to fight the guy again make sure he don't get back up! If he's down put the Caulk Boots to his face so he'll never again forget his place! These guys want to practice stoneage religion so let's put them back in time!

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