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#144051 - 03/09/02 10:50 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
bank walker Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/26/99
Posts: 745
NO!! Ive never had a steelhead or salmon swallow any bait ive used. Plunking and pulling divers is another story. Your standard drift rig and float rig offer little time for a fish to "inhale" the offering, unless you are totally unconscious. like mentioned above, there are times a bait ban is totally necessary - CNR seasons, and heavy smolt migration timing.

tap..tap...tap... tap... tap...ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
fish on :p
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#144052 - 03/09/02 11:01 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
spawnout Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 842
Loc: Satsop
Since I catch most of my fish on herring, no. However, I'm all for having selective fishing areas and fly fishing only areas, particularly in the upper reaches of rivers for C&R. And "trout" fishing of any kind, but especially with bait, should be banned in any stream that supports anadromous fish - those "trout" would have been steelhead in a couple of years if they had not swallowed the power bait or gotten the treble hook through their eye mad
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#144053 - 03/09/02 11:34 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
RichH Offline
Parr

Registered: 11/12/00
Posts: 56
Loc: Salem, OR
No way!!!!

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#144054 - 03/09/02 11:57 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
centerpin Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/24/00
Posts: 377
Loc: The Terrace
No,No,No! mad mad mad
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#144055 - 03/10/02 01:21 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
CedarR Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 08/04/99
Posts: 1431
Loc: Olympia, WA
No, and I'll never support catch and release worm digging in Washington, either.

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#144056 - 03/10/02 02:02 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
PhishPhreak Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 06/19/01
Posts: 1066
Loc: North Bend, WA
Cowlitzfisherman - did you mention a state wide ban?
I think it can (and has) been used as a good managent tool (isn't that your question?).

Under many conditions - Yes, Washington.

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#144057 - 03/10/02 02:18 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
JR32 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 09/03/01
Posts: 191
Loc: shelton wa
No - Washington
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#144058 - 03/10/02 04:54 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
J.C.B Offline
Smolt

Registered: 08/08/00
Posts: 91
Loc: Marysville Washington
We already have enough regulations and restricted waters, not to mention emergency closures to make our heads spin.NO WASH. Lets just hope that this year they get the rules straight before they pint the pamphlet.I don't mean to sound ill-hearted, but I would like some consistency. Checking the state web page every time I go out gets old fast. J.C.B mad
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#144059 - 03/10/02 08:40 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
bardo Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/21/01
Posts: 304
Loc: union wa
if they banned bait in washington, fishhead 5 would be able to save about 4 hundred dollars a year on refrigeration cost alone.

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#144060 - 03/10/02 10:00 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Bigdog2250 Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 03/31/00
Posts: 212
Loc: Stanwood,Wa
Did you think you would get ANY yes votes?
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#144061 - 03/10/02 10:06 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
cowlitzfisherman Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1828
Loc: Toledo, Washington
Bigdog2250

That is just one of the answers this survey will reveal! laugh laugh

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Is the taste of the bait worth the sting of the hook????
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#144062 - 03/10/02 11:34 AM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Dr Pepper Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 08/22/00
Posts: 214
Loc: Sequim, Washington
No-Washington

They shouldn't do this statewide. Only look at each river because each river is different. Some places a bait ban is ok, but not statewide.

~ Dr Pepper
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#144063 - 03/10/02 12:03 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
LittleZoZo Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 03/11/01
Posts: 419
Loc: Rochester, WA USA
I am not opposed to resricting the use of bait on certain rivers at certain times of the year. For example, the fly only stretch on the Kalama..... I mean, something like that is fine. But hasn'tthis State already made it hard enough to harvest fish in this state without adding yet ANOTHER stupid regulation that we'd have to abide by? I'm against th idea of using a Statewide bait ban as a managment because It's not really a "Managment" tool at all. A bait ban would only serve to make it harder for us to catch fish..... That's not managment at all. The state already charges too much for licenses and tags and doesn't do nearly enough to enhance the fishing.... Why in the world would we want them to make it any harder than it already is? If the state wants to "Manage" the fish, then why don't they actally start to do things that will enhnce the fishing? We already have enough stupid regulations on the books, geared soley at making harder for us to be successful in our hunting and fishing efforts. We dont need yet another stumbling block thrown in our way.
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#144064 - 03/10/02 01:54 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Ken M Offline
Fry

Registered: 03/21/99
Posts: 24
Loc: Olympia, WA 98516
no.

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#144065 - 03/10/02 02:27 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
ReiterRat Offline
Gearhead

Registered: 12/10/99
Posts: 431
Loc: Snohomish, WA
I would not support a year round bait ban, however I would be in favor of a bait ban from April through August .

Most of us here are in favor of state wide CnR on wild fish, but when it comes to not using bait on summer fish , which are sometimes the easiest to catch without bait , we would not give that right to fish bait up. Why is that?

Bait does by far the most damage by fishermen to out migrating smolts than most catch and kill fisheries have on returning adults .

Think about it, if your out fishing bait on a given summer day and you hook and kill incidently a few to half dozen wild smolt that are in the 4 inch plus range (which once they are that large have a much higher chance of ocean survival ) what kind af damage does that do to the population over the course of a summer ?

Most of us here would never do anything to hurt an adult wild steelhead , but what damage are we doing to runs of juvenile steelhead by fishing bait?

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#144066 - 03/10/02 07:26 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Old Man Offline
Spawner

Registered: 05/02/01
Posts: 762
Loc: Silver Star,Mt
They have bait bans on several Western Washington rivers now and it don't seem to stop the bait fishermen. Take the upper Sauk from Darrington up. It's supposed to be no bait,but in the summer time you find worm containers all over the place. I don't support anything until they can inforce it. Just my .02 Jim S.
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#144067 - 03/10/02 09:17 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
RiverLiver Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 12/06/00
Posts: 337
Loc: Tacoma, WA,
"NO" to BAIT band in WA.
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#144068 - 03/10/02 09:25 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Steelheadman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4166
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
No! They should open all waters to bait fishing period! The only alternative is to close them. No discrimination!
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#144069 - 03/10/02 10:13 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
stlhdr1 Offline
BUCK NASTY!!

Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6312
Loc: Vancouver, WA
That's a funny one!! rolleyes rolleyes
Keith laugh
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#144070 - 03/10/02 10:26 PM Re: Survey to "Ban Bait" useage
Double Haul Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 1440
Loc: Wherever I can swing for wild ...
Rieter Rat, Finally a response based on reason, rather than emotion. BTW, My opinion supports your reason. From the studies I've read bait doesn't have much of a impact on steelhead during winter months Nov-March. The rest of the year I say YES to no bait. But this is a useless survey because it won't happen.

In my opinion bait is a confidence tool, wild winter steelhead and summer runs are aggressive enough and it's not needed to be successful plus you lower theimpact on the down river kelts, smolts, char and cutthroat. Gosh look how successful anglers are during the C&R season and there's no bait allowed then rolleyes
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