The Bible is a collection of books. No science, again it is belief. There is no proof. One must believe in the omnipotent being. That is the basis for religion, belief. There isn't any science involved, just because you know it to be so in your heart doesn't make it so. Don't confuse belief with knowledge. Science is science and creationism is belief not science. Don't confuse the two.

I would say you have as much or more faith in evolution. I doubt evolution will ever be more than just a theory as much as you believe it to be fact. For all you people tout science there is one point you overlook. There is infinate times more unkown than known Re evolution.

Well, it's impossible to say for sure what "the survivor" will be, since we can't say for sure what the future will be.

But in the past the survivor has often been the most flexible.

Q: What do you call a dead blond in the closet
A: The 2001 hide and go seek champion

KT: "Showing that evolution is just a theory and like all unproven postualtes and that it has holes is a far cry from writing it off as a posibliltiy. Which is what most non belivers have done with the role of "god" in such events."

It seems that a non-believer, by definition, is one who has written off the possibility of the existence of God. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of room to be open to the possibility of God. As for believers, again, by definition, and depending on the nature of their belief, it would seem as though they have closed themselve off to the possibility that evolution explains diversity and changes in life forms.

KT makes an infinite number of assumptions about the participants in this forum, since he's sure we all overlook the fact that there's less known about evolution than is unknown. Now there's some keen intellectual perception for us to ponder. Funny, I've never seen anyone here post that everything important about evolution is already known.

SG,

When people post it as and treat it as fact and not theory it's a very logical leap. A real short leap.

Having observed some of the leaps you make here keeps me well appraised of that fact.

Gravity is an observable physical phenonema. We can say gravity is a fact. Gravity was happening long before the Theory of Universal Gravitation was thunk up by some old boy that didn't live close to a Steelhead river and had nothing better to do with his time than to ponder about things like that.

A theory does not invent a phenomena. It attempts to explain it.

The existence of the phenomena of evolution has been well established by the fossil record. Evolution happens.

How does it happen?

Well, Evolutionary Theory, or The Theory of Evolution, is the body of work which attempts to explain how evolution, the phenomena, works.

If currently accepted theories about gravity or evolution were discredited or supplanted by other theories, that would not mean that the phenomenae the theories were attemping to explain did not exist.

SS,

Careful. You're getting way too technical for KT's simple way of understanding the world. You're leaving him no option other than deflecting the issue. Watch.

The leap from ape to man in terms of observable phenomena or artifacts is how big of a leap. Whats the smallest gap in years. Talk about faith. You may want to make the jump and go with the thought that what is true for invertabrates or even crustaceans is treansferable to man. If I had an analogous financial opportuntiy for you you would not invest a dime on such an obviously risky prospectus and certainly not bet your life. But it works if you want to rationalize something.

" invertabrates or even crustaceans "

What's this have to do with your blood line?

Now wait a minute TK! If I remember right, recent reseach says gorillas are about 98% genetically identical to humans. (Anybody have the exact number?)

How close a correspondence you want? 99%? 99.9%?

If a primate was discovered in the swamps of Arkansas which was a "missing link" between ape and man, you would want a "missing link" between the 'missing link" and man.

SS,

That last post of yours lowered the liberal IQ here to about the ape level.

TK,
You sure use the term "liberal" freely.

I'm a traditional conservative, being a strong advocate of fiscal responsibility and caution in managing the foreign affairs of our nation. I'm an advocate of responsibility and integrity in government. Furthermore I completely reject your leader's notion that the Constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper." I have great respect for the Constitution.

You neocons have a habit of calling everybody that hasn't drunk the cool aid a liberal. Next thing you know, you will be calling Bob Barr a liberal!

So if my post about the very close genetic similarity between the other great apes and humans lowered the IQ of the board, it didn't lower the liberal average.

"I'm a traditional conservative,"

And Truman capote was a linebacker in the NFL.

Any conservative would note that this admin has assembled one if not the most high powered and dynamic foreign affiars teams in the history of this country. Its a who's who of well respected and tenured professionals.

A traditional conservative believes in God something you clearly do not.

This admin needs work on spending but then again so does the average citizen in this country. A traditional conervative would have the hatchet out on spending but would never get elected again.

Your comments about apes and man wrt evolution shows you need to go to talk origins and read slower this time.

Huh? Damn, I must be hallucinating! You can't be serious! Seems like I read just a few weeks ago where Collin Powell's top aide said that a "cabal" of Cheney and Rumsfeld bypassed the State Department and seized control of the foreign affairs of the nation.

Oh, about the "God" thing. First time I ever heard there was a religious test to be a conservative. That's news to me!

In general, I'm not a superstitious person myself, though I did wrap 14/7 on my egg loops for years. In general, I'm more comfortable with scientific explanation than mythical explantion.

Keep America great again, lol

Nice deep dive.

Is TheKing still here by a different name or is he a stereotype?

The guy was a classic, he came and went for a while, he saw himself as the ultimate christian soldier, he was the first I saw here that created an alternate account just to suck his own dick, tell us how great he was and to prove he had a friend...him and Sol going at it pretty much put the dark in the darkside, Sol closing his startlingly accurate psychological profile of Elvis with something about "... fantasies of [Bleeeeep!] your own mother" pretty well sent him off into the sunset.