Makes sense. A bunch of libs standing around gettting pecked in the head.

Researcher: Early Man Was Hunted by Birds
Jan 12 1:27 PM US/Eastern
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By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS
Associated Press Writer


JOHANNESBURG, South Africa


A South African anthropologist said Thursday his research into the death nearly 2 million years ago of an ape-man shows human ancestors were hunted by birds.

"These types of discoveries give us real insight into the past lives of these human ancestors, the world they lived in and the things they feared," Lee Berger, a paleo-anthropologist at Johannesburg's University of Witwatersrand, said as he presented his conclusions about a mystery that has been debated since the remains of the possible human ancestor known as the Taung child were discovered in 1924.



The Taung child's discovery led to the search for human origins in Africa, instead of in Asia or Europe as once theorized. Researchers regard the fossil of the ape-man, or australopethicus africanus, as evidence of the "missing link" in human evolution.

Researchers had speculated the Taung child was killed by a leopard or saber-toothed feline. But 10 years ago, Berger and fellow researcher Ron Clarke submitted the theory the hunter was a large predatory bird, based on the fact most of the other fossils found at the same site were small monkeys that showed signs of having been killed by a predatory bird.

Berger and Clarke had until now been unable to show damage on the child's skull that could have been done by a bird.

Five months ago, Berger read an Ohio State University study of the hunting abilities of modern eagles in West Africa believed similar to predatory birds of the Taung child's era.

The Ohio State study determined that eagles would swoop down, pierce monkey skulls with their thumb-like back talons, then hover while their prey died before returning to tear at the skull. Examination of thousands of monkey remains produced a pattern of damage done by birds, including holes and ragged cuts in the shallow bones behind the eye sockets.

Berger went back to the Taung skull, and found traces of the ragged cuts behind the eye sockets. He said none of the researchers who had for decades been debating how the child died had noticed the eye socket damage before.

Berger concluded man's ancestors had to survive not just being hunted from the ground, but from the air. Such discoveries are "key to understanding why we humans today view the world they way we do," he said.

Berger's research has been reviewed by others and is due to appear in the February edition of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

There was no welfare state 2 million years ago. The kid was a conservative, perhaps the first neocon.

If he was the first then he would have been the last...wishful thinking.

There goes the theory of evolution! Oh no!

Can't be a conservative. Their leaders Grog Bushgar and Dicgar Chenroc would have allowed the corp's to destory the nesting grounds so his buddies in the business world could make more profits. The birds would have been endangered. It was definately liberals standing around with picket stones protesting right wing conservative policy while demanding protection from the birds.
Liberals where almost bred out of exhistance until man created enough wealth and lesiure time for the recessive gene to reappear. it showed up in the early part of last century and the bitoching and moaning began again at a record pace.

I think Salmo is right. Neocon parents sent the kid out to lure the bird in and be pecked to death so they could study it's methods and maybe some day figure out a way to defeat it. Anybody else would have lured it in and bashed it with a stick.

A conservative invented Kentucky fried bird.
Liberal in Indian tanslates into " can't fish can't hunt don't know [Bleeeeep!]"

Liberal in Indian tanslates into "can't fish can't hunt don't know [Bleeeeep!]"
Since there are over 250 tribes recognized by the BIA, which one is this gem from?

tk- i thought you didnt believe that humans existed back then.......way before the bible claims that they were created.....

are you now a monkey humper??????????

Lupo,

Thats why I said it was a liberal. It's an ape and claimed to be an ancestor of man. Try to keep up with the class.

Look how small the skull is it has to be a lib.

Raymond Dart and the Taung Child (Australopithecus africanus)
In 1924 Raymond Dart was presented with a tiny fossilized face from a limestone quarry in Taung, South Africa. Dart named the tiny skull Australopithecus africanus. It is better known as the “Taung Child.” In an article for Nature magazine, Dart suggested that Australopithecus africanus was an extinct ape living between anthropoids and man.54 Most evolutionists believe the Australopithecus africanus is slightly younger than the afarensis at 2.8 million years old (refer to chart on page 52). Dart’s find is also considered to be of great value to evolutionary theory because of the position of the foramen magnum. The foramen magnum is the small hole at the base of the skull where the spine connects to the head. Evolutionists use it as an indicator of posture. For example, if the foramen magnum is at central base of the skull, evolutionists see that as evidence that the creature walked upright. If it is positioned toward the back of the skull, it indicates that the posture of the creature was slouched. According to Raymond Dart the impression of the foramen magnum in the Taung fossil is very close to the central base of the skull. Therefore, Dart proclaimed that his creature walked upright.

Are there also problems with Dart’s discovery? Again, the answer is “yes.” Once again the name is an admission. Australopithecus africanus simply means “Southern African ape.” Dart did not have the courage to call it an archaic human ancestor because the evidence did not support such a designation. Additionally, even the evolutionists have bickered over whether or not Australopithecus africanus is a human ancestor. Sir Arthur Keith, an expert anatomist and evolutionist, after analyzing the Taung skull, wrote in Nature magazine:

[Dart’s] claim is preposterous. The skull is that of a young anthropoid ape...and showing so many points of affinity with the two living Africa anthropoids, the gorilla and chimpanzee, that there cannot be a moment’s hesitation in placing the fossil form in this living group.55

Even the integrity and scholarship of Raymond Dart was called into question by his colleagues. Donald Johanson and James Shreeve described Raymond Dart as “over enthusiastic for speculation.”56 Unfortunately, this is a trademark of every evolutionist’s character. It takes an incredible gap in reason and an “over enthusiastic” urge to speculate in order for one to conclude that the Taung child is a human ancestor.

Finally, the impression of the foramen magnum in the Taung skull is not as clear as Dart would have everyone to believe. In fact, many paleoanthropologists who have closely examined the skull cannot even find the foramen magnum depression that Dart bragged about. Furthermore, the foramen magnum is an unreliable means in determining the posture of a creature. Its position on the skull varies in both humans and apes. Other anatomical evidence from Australopithecus africanus remains indicates that he did not walk upright. The Taung child (Australopithecus africanus) is nothing more than what it looks like — an ape. Any other conclusion would be nothing more than unfounded speculation!

Besides,
Like the intelligent design folks say, life on earth is too complicated to have evolved. It was designed by extraterrestrials.

Created by God or created by monkey humping?

I would rather believe people were created by God. Monkeys are still monkey's. Whales had the remenants of "appendages" 28 million years ago and by george what do you know, They still have them today! we find scorpions from the cretaceous period and magically they still look the same today. The celeocanth was thought to be extinct millions of years ago, all the while scientist were speculating on what it evolved to. Low and behold some fisherman catches one off the coast of Argentina and it looks the same today as the fossil record shows! Evolution is a crock, Its the biggest f' up scientist have made. Still taught in schools but still just a hypothesis.

Ya ,ya I know the fact that God created the Earth and everything that dwells here cant be proven scientifically either but my faith lies with God not Monkey's!

Yeah, lots of folks feel that way.

Uuuuum, for some people it is truly obvious they have not evolved.

Dave D.,
Microp is actually very sharp! He has tons of potential and lots of years left to realize it. Don't give up on him.

SS will do

Many theologians see no conflict between belief in God and evolution. They propose that God is creating the heavens and the earths from the void. In this view creation is still happening, on a time scale that is eons to humans but only an eyeblink to God. With perfect knowledge, God knew that the process of evolution would produce a multitude of species, all of which were and are good in his sight. God knew that evolution on earth would, over billions of years, which is but a moment to God, produce a species which is the pinnacle of creation...Steelhead.

all that omnipotence, yet . . . billions of years . . . the pinnacle of creation: steelhead. God must have the patience of Job.

Good point suckersnagger. Why is it that people are so self centered to believe that one of Gods days is the same as one of our days. Earth one day = 24 hours . Jupiters days are what? 36 of our days? Kind of like when we believed the solar system revolved around the Earth. For a being with no end and no begining a day could be a very very long time. God did create animals first so yes you can believe that the fossil record goes back millions of years and still have faith in God. Btw I happen to collect and prepare fossils that are 28 million years old. The claws are from Calianopsis c. A relative of the Ghost shrimp.

P.s It is also mentioned in the bible that people lived hundreds of years before the great flood. This is also possible. It is believed by some that the earth was once enveloped in layer of very thick clouds or water. This would have shielded people from solar radiation much better then our ozone layer does today. Also just because it mentions in the bible how many years people lived still doesnt mean that those years were also Gods years because of course those people lived on earth. Were many species made extinct because a giant astroid hit the planet? It is possible that the astroid is what destroyed the original atmospere. It is possible that every thing in the bible can coincide with large destructive events discovered by science. Even the parting of the red sea.

Go read Again.

Adam and eve were animals werent they? oops

Yes, they were. They had to watch the monkeys in order to learn about humping. Which, in turn, is the act responsible for our presence on this fine planet. Now THAT's evolution for ya.

More proof that they were libs as Fb notes they watched monkey humpers.

tk- you are the dumbest person ive ever read.......there is now way you are not trolling and actually believe the crap that you post.....i hoped for a while that you were actually serious and kind of a thinker even if in the wrong direction- now im convinced that you have got to be a fake- no one is really as dumb as the crap you write....i just dont buy it any more that you are real........

Lupo,

Careful if you see a big big bird flying over your house.

Microp,
Those are beautiful fossils! good job on the photos too. I keep going back and looking at them.

Lupo,
Have you tried to fly anywhere lately? I'm wondering if being a vehement critic of Dumbya on a board like this can land you on the no-fly list.

Paranoia, another symptom of mental illness.

There are around 80,000 people on the no-fly list now and the number is going up. Many on the list are people who are Bush critics. With the mindset of the Bushies, critics are enemies of the state.

Lupo said awhile back that he had been visited by Homeland Security agents. It is not inconceivable that he might be on the no-fly list.

TK, you talk an awful lot about mental illness, gays, and bestiality. Do you have a handle on why you do that?

SS,

Substantiate your claims. No rumor or 3rd party claims. Concrete proof that people that are anti admin are on the no fly list just for desenting opinion.

James Moore, author of 'Bush's Brain'. On the No-Fly list.

Why?

Nobody will tell him. Maybe TK can tell us.

Geez, Dan, ya' posted at 4:39, after KT's quitting time. Ya' can't expect him to repsond after hours now can ya'?

lest say he is on the list and only because he wrote the book. Of which no one can be certain. One out of 80,000. Wow thats overwhelming.

You asked for one. Ask for 12,000 if that's what it will take to convince you.

"How did I get on the no-fly list"
"I'm sorry, I can't tell you."
"Well, how do I get OFF the list."
"I'm sorry, I can't tell you."

No one can be certain because THEY WON'T TELL YOU why someone is on the list. And that doesn't bug you?

Commie.

You are just specualting and have no real anwers. True to your nature you assume the worst. Even worse if someone should have been on the list and was excused for civil rights reasons you and your kind would biotch and balmed everyone forever if he blew up a plane.

I was arrested at the airport once for parking too long in the passenger drop off. 4 police officers showed up with guns drawn. The whole cops scene, stick your hands out the window walk backwards etc. thrown to the ground handcuffed etc. hualed off to the pokey. After 30 minutes it became clear why. Someone with my same name and description automobile etc killed a cop in Kansas City . the only difference was he was black and I am white. Almost everything else matched. I was released with apologies. [Bleeeeep!] happens.

Why on earth would they tell you why they have you on the list? Let's say you make a call to a terror suspect. Perhaps you don't even know he's a terror suspect - but he's on the list of known terrorists. Maybe he's a friend or co-worker. Or, maybe you are conspiring with him in some way... If the gov't told you that you were on the list because you were talking to your friend Mohammad who is being watched as a known terrorists, then you told this to Mohammad - do you think Mohammad might decide it's time to change cell phone numbers and perhaps go into hiding for a little bit? Maybe they are close to busting him on a major terror plot to bomb the super bowl or something...

If it turns out that people ARE on the list just for disagreeing with certain policies - then I think it will be a disgrace on this admin and there should be some kind of fitting prosecution.

And how are you going to know?

That's what I thought.

How do we know what the other past admins did in the area of domestic spying like clinton, nixon, lincoln, etc, etc, etc?

LOL. Is domestic spying limitted to wire tapping? How about reading personal mail?

The computer has made it feasible for the government to spy on everybody all the time.

And Dumbya is claiming he has the authority, as CIC, to do anything he wants to do to anyone he considers a threat.

Taken together (Dumbya + modern tech), the threat to our personal liberties is greater than at any time in our history.

Actually the threat is smaller. The gov't is under a much tighter microscope today than at any point in our history - instant communication, video, internet, etc help us today where in the past, real abuses could be held in secret much easier... But keep the fear alive if it helps your party

Murtha thread.

"TK claims
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Not too concerned about phone numbers being processed through a computer system picking out key words and then linking them to overseas known operatives. Every president has done it during wartime in cluding the first real liberal Abe Lincoln."

Read up on it and see what ol abe did. or you can play a 3rd grade game an insist I meant Abe used computers.


"It would appear the poll numbers of citizens concerned with this issue is on the increase."

lets see their level of understanding of what is actually happening on this matter. Give them the facts then poll them again. I say 9 out of 10 say hell yes do it.

Well, that settles it then.

Lincoln is said to have assumed powers outside those provided by the Constitution reluctantly, in a great civil war in which the survival of the nation was at stake.

Bush is attempting to grab such power for himself when there is no (external)threat at all to the nation. Zero threat. Zilch.

Big difference.

Sal,

"In your mind" by J Cash comes to me after your last post.

"In your mind, in your mind
One foot on Jacob's ladder
And one foot in the fire
And it all goes down in your mind "

Sorry Sal I meant to address it to SS.

The King.....

Here's a bad joke. What does bent metal and male prostitutes have in common? Everything! oops, wrong thread

I prefer Elvis sideburns heel Rock.