the onshore Gestapo at work.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200602\SPE20060217a.html

Creepy, really creepy. I'm glad Congress now knows, but what's next?

the ATF is a government unto itself with basically no checks and balances to it.....the entire deptmartment(along with all administrative agencies) needs to be re-organised to allow for public accountability......

the ATF can come to your house and shoot your dog or kids or whife or whatever they want and you will be able to do nothing about it...without an act of congress- administrative agencies are allowed to apoint their own ALJ(administrative law judge) and its impossible to get any accountability out of a judge that they appoint to look over themselves...

these administrative agencies account for almost all of US government growth-(not liberals) and these agencies are taking the power from the people everywhere they occour in our government. these agencies are anti- american in there essence because they subvert the idea of checks and balances and puts the legislative, executive and judicial checks and balances all under one roof

if youve ever wondered why you allways see ATF agents on a crime scene that didnt involve alcohol or tobacco or firearms or explosives........that is the reason

We have the Patriot Act. Warrants are so passe.

They were only worried about women and blacks buying guns, they would never infringe on the God given rights of good clean white folks (unless they were liberals, or seperatists, or lived like hillbillys).

Another action of a police state.

Some times one just has to wonder how much pot do you smoke before you start your day?

Did you morons for get ruby ridge or Waco. The ATF is one in its self. It don’t matter who is in office or controls the senate or who says what. The biggest deal is that the left wing retards will give them more BS laws and power to do even worse. And I saw one republican rep. mentioned. you folks need to get off the drugs and get a grip. The ATF is like any politician they are going to do what they want, when they want and use that the public was endanger story to make it ok. So why don’t you, and all that seam to know so much. Tell me WHO STARTED the ATF and who gave the separation to control them selves un governed basically.

ooh, ooh Ill guess Aix!

was it uhhhhh DEMOCRAT! ?

P.S Aunty,

Ask and you shall recieve. lol

Wrong is wrong, but the good old Clinton administration inserted the flaws that the ATF is using now to do such things. if you are buying a gun they have the right to check the paper work. And at the shows detain you and or your gun till it has passed. if you have any thing wrong on the paper work, they can get you for a felony.You SAy this admin, has done nothing? Bush has helped us keep our guns HE DID NOT SING the 98 bill back in. that saved all of our simi autos and most of our hand guns. Oh ya duh. Lets see, you said and I quote:
That’s any employee no mater who is in office and what administration, are you that dumb to think there not? My God, most you people haven’t a clue on any gun laws, and all you can do is b!#ch about them, and blame the Man.
and One more for you and I quote:
Ah hello moron RUBY RIDG, AND WACO ignored the administration which were involved at the time it was happening. Uh oh what administration......DING DING DING. Who CLINTON A DEMOCRAT LEFT WING ANTI GUN MORON……. That don’t make it right but to sit there and just blame bush for blaming bush is asinine.

Then quite acting like you do. and You insult me all the time with your neocon red neck hillbilly BS all the damned time, you and your little cronies. so shut the heck up, its Ok for you to make such remarks that are offensive but I cant.

And child molester that’s one for defamation of character books, and I would go there with it.
Strait up You called me in to this one. So take your medicine.and you go there with the child molester You will see me in court.

"HE DID NOT SING the 98 bill back in"

Wouldn't that have been funny if he had though? Do you think he can carry a tune?

which is worse, smoking pot or drinking the Bushy kool-aid? Maybe it just depends on the person...

All Clinton's and liberals fault....blah, blah, blah. Your King boy George and his party have had the reigns for six years now. Any problems you have with what's currently going on should be taken up with them. Personally, if you are OK with GW's patriot act and their authorizations to tap phones without a warrant, search your home without telling you, detain you indefinitely without charges, spy on politcal organizations, etc then you should have no problem whatsoever with these actions by the ATF. You're very lucky the king allows you to keep the guns you have.

there you girls go spewing what you think, instead of facts. Answer the damned question for once. your queen called me into this, so show me. And What you think Bush is just going to be able to erase what Clinton did. Your really sharp there.. STDhead

Since when has threatening lawsuits become a viable tactic for argument on this board? Oh wait nevermind, I remember now...

that s why you threaten me in Privat message bring it on you stupid Moron your about aspathetice as they come

Bye bye!

calling me a child molester Your so full of crap it isnt even funny So here you go 4626 west way dr oh ya you sent the christmass card you know See you in court B#tch.

Kiss off I dont apoligise. and I never Will for a rasing some one.

He has an excellent marketing manager!

No you would only because you are pethetic and if you cant win or get proven wrong you fet them baned.

"fet them baned"


So that's what's happened to TK, he was fetted baned!

Thanks for clearing up the mystery!

"erase what Clinton did"

OK brainiac, let's play:

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2003foiapost4.htm

"In addition, the Homeland Security Act also transfers the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms from the Department of the Treasury to the Department of Justice, except for a tax-related portion (approximately 10%) of it that will remain at the Treasury Department. ATF has been renamed the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives," as a reflection of its current responsibilities in that latter area, but it likely will continue to be referred to as "ATF." This transfer is effective as of today as well. (posted 1/27/03) "

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/April/04_ag_206.htm

Ashcroft appointed the head of the ATF which, only now under the new King and his homeland security act, is the attorney general entitled to do.

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2006/02/atfe_head_in_fi.php

Maybe the new head of the ATF has other priorities like beautifying his office?


What were you saying about Clinton?

stl head your missing the point.
I don’t agree with what Bush is doing. but it hasn’t gotten any worse. the exact same thing that happened at the gun show was just like ruby ridge with the exception No one was shot.

You are such a dumb ars. Micro and David Toms do my fish. Funny wow you’ve said that my work has made deer look better then when they were alive. Keep it up you have never used me and what you are doing is chicken sh@5 and you know it. If my work is Bad why have I picked up more than 16 thing to mount. in one night of work to do from across the country.

so your saying it was ok that the ATF shot a mother holding her baby. your a joke

[/QUOTE]You insult me all the time with your neocon red neck hillbilly BS all the damned time, you and your little cronies. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Well you know what they say. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then my money is on the probability that it's a duck.

BTW, I enjoy the roasting of such a fowl dish, as the one Aunty has on the Bar-b. Rumor has it that this bird is self stuffed, and self basting.

ah hell I will give you that one that was funny
but she dont have any thing on the Bar b.

I am speechless.

Alcohol, Tabacco and Firearms---Right on!!...Who brought the chips? :p

Seriously, you can thank Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and Christopher Whitcom for the needless murders on Ruby Ridge.

Flashback, the year is 1934, the Volstead Act is in the shhhhhtr. Hundreds of treasury agents face unemployment. OH dear what will we do. Easy, sic em on the gun owners. Give them NKVD powers. That will keep the bureacracy fat and funded. Guess who was president. Mr Social Security himself.

Well there you have it. The root of all evil started more than 70 years ago. We should be used to it by now.

ruby ridge was totally evil.....they baited him in for ever till they finally got him on nothing but selling a sawed off shotgun..... something that anyone can make out of their normal shotgon in less time than it takes to drink a beer......

and randy weever wasnt as racist as he was made out to be on the news...... in my opinion that was total flat out murder on ruby ridge and i think that fbi oficials should be in jail on that one instead of just getting away with giving tax payer money to the estate and remaining familly...... they have done it to timber activists as well and they tried to assasinate judy berrie and daryl cherney with a bomb in their car and the fbi was found to be guilty in the cover up of that case and paid up again with our tax money..........
these are generally extreem entrapment cases where the ATF ,or ather admin agency,has spent years and millions of dollars to try and encourage and enable the person to comit a crime and if they dont comit one they will find one for you to comitt

on the gun thing though, george does have basically direct control of ATF now and could change any law that he wanted to including ereasing any policy that clinton admin had added...