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#173963 - 03/22/06 05:35 PM Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use

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St. Paul, Minn. – Memory, speed of thinking and other cognitive abilities get worse over time with marijuana use, according to a new study published in the March 14, 2006, issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

The study found that frequent marijuana users performed worse than non-users on tests of cognitive abilities, including divided attention (ability to pay attention to more than one stimulus at a time) and verbal fluency (number of words generated within a time limit). Those who had used marijuana for 10 years or more had more problems with their thinking abilities than those who had used marijuana for five to 10 years. All of the marijuana users were heavy users, which was defined as smoking four or more joints per week.

“We found that the longer people used marijuana, the more deterioration they had in these cognitive abilities, especially in the ability to learn and remember new information,” said study author Lambros Messinis, PhD, of the Department of Neurology of the University Hospital of Patras in Patras, Greece. “In several areas, their abilities were significant enough to be considered impaired, with more impairment in the longer-term users than the shorter-term users.”

The study involved people ages 17 to 49 taking part in a drug abuse treatment program in Athens, Greece. There were 20 long-term users, 20 shorter-term users and 24 control subjects who had used marijuana at least once in their lives but not more than 20 times and not in the past two years. Those who had used any other class of drugs, such as cocaine or stimulants, during the past year or for more than three months throughout their lives were not included in the study. Before the tests were performed, all participants had to abstain from marijuana for at least 24 hours.

The marijuana users performed worse in several cognitive domains, including delayed recall, recognition and executive functions of the brain. For example, on a test measuring the ability to make decisions, long-term users had 70 percent impaired performance, compared to 55 percent impaired performance for shorter-term users and 8 percent impaired performance for non-users. In a test where participants needed to remember a list of words that had been read to them earlier, the non-users remembered an average of 12 out of 15 words, the shorter-term users remembered an average of nine words and the long-term users remembered an average of seven words.

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The American Academy of Neurology, an association of more than 19,000 neurologists and neuroscience professionals, is dedicated to improving patient care through education and research. A neurologist is a doctor with specialized training in diagnosing, treating and managing disorders of the brain and nervous system such as stroke, Alzheimer's disease, epilepsy, Parkinson's disease, autism and multiple sclerosis. For more information about the American Academy of Neurology, visit www.aan.com.
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#173964 - 03/22/06 05:48 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
stlhead Offline
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So it's true about GW's drug use!
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#173966 - 03/22/06 08:28 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
papaslap Offline
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cannibus stupidus
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#173967 - 03/22/06 09:11 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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After reading this, I'm afraid I'm going to have to..........uhhhh.........

What?

laugh
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#173968 - 03/22/06 10:42 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Don't worry Rory, somewhere out there explains your condition, keep looking!

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#173969 - 03/23/06 12:33 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dan S.:
After reading this, I'm afraid I'm going to have to..........uhhhh.........

What?

laugh
Dang it Dan you stole my idea eek
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#173970 - 03/23/06 04:04 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Ichtyoid Offline
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That's why they call it dope.

Only users lose drugs.

I havn't found mine since my daughter was born.
wink
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#173972 - 03/30/06 06:51 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
micropterus101 Offline
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What was this thread about? Wait second I have to go back to the top.
help

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#173974 - 03/30/06 04:52 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
micropterus101 Offline
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Oh ya, I do collect mushrooms I totally forgot! Ok back to the topic. Oh dammit, I forgot again! back to the top.

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#173975 - 04/05/06 04:12 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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It's probably because most users are uneducated imbeciles to start with. I've done it all my life. My university GPA was 3.7 (at 30 years old), I passed the PE exam the first time through, and I generally come out on top debaiting other people on whatever topic. Smoke-em if ya got-em, I say. smile

If the federal government though it had a chance in hell of regulating it successfully, I have no doubt it would be legal today.

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#173976 - 04/06/06 01:30 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Salmo g. Offline
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Where'd you go to school, Sol? Tono Tech?

backatcha'

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#173977 - 04/06/06 02:03 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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UW, man. Where else would a Washington boy go for a REAL education? wink

You'd be hard pressed to give me a math or physics problem I can't solve. smile

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#173978 - 04/06/06 04:37 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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All you sophisticated anti-canabus crackers can consider that a challenge. evil

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#173980 - 04/06/06 07:32 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Chumlicker Offline
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"You'd be hard pressed to give me a math or physics problem I can't solve"


How about this one. Math is a hobby of mine.

There are no positive integers such that x^n + y^n = z^n for n>2

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#173981 - 04/07/06 06:56 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
VHawk. Offline
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The study is flawed. [Quote]Before the tests were performed, all participants had to abstain from marijuana for at least 24 hours.[Quote]

If I asked people who were regular, heavy caffiene users to abstain from caffeine for 24 hours and then tested their cognitive skills against a control group guess what might happen?

Would that mean coffee drinkers had poorer memory then non-coffee drinkers? Would that further imply that Seattle is a town full of lost souls who can't remember where they put their car keys, or their wife?

Or what if I had all the groups abstain for 30 days or more, then did the testing?

And 4-5 J's a week? Now would that be all on Friday and Saturday? Or would they be spaced out over the week? Maybe people who have the time to smoke all week were stupid to begin with. Maybe if they looked at weekend use only they would have had different results.

This is a poorly designed study, done by people who should have known better.

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#173982 - 04/07/06 10:41 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Quote:
There are no positive integers such that x^n + y^n = z^n for n>2
So what! Are you going to make a problem statement or just spin riddles with variables?

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#173983 - 04/07/06 10:53 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Your wrong anyway. If an integer is defined as any whole number between one and infinity, then:

n=100
x=10
y=1000

And, z=1x10^150

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#173984 - 04/07/06 10:54 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
stlhead Offline
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Plus the study doesn't mention quality. The stuff I used to get in the late 70's would turn you into an 8 hour vegetable.
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#173985 - 04/07/06 11:30 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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It's better than in the 70's. Way better.

Believe it, because a little bird told me. wink
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#173986 - 04/07/06 11:32 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
stlhead Offline
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Yeah but I bet it isn't still soaked in opium.
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#173987 - 04/07/06 12:17 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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This thread reminds me of that old Cheech and Chong segment from the 70s where Officer Friendly comes to school for the anti-drug lecture.

It was something like Officer Friendly shows the students a baggie of marijuana and asks "OK kids, does anybody know what this is?"

Student replies:

"That's Columbian Red!"

"No man! No! That's Oaxacan!"

"BS! That Michoacan!"
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#173988 - 04/07/06 09:29 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Sol,

UW here too. You have my sympathy. Just had to poke a little fun at ya'. I got an education there too, but it wasn't what I had in mind (68-76). And I'm anything but anti-cannabis. I'm a drug Libertarian; legalize 'em all. The war on drugs is beyond stupid. In 1996 the estimated value of illegal drug traffic in the U.S. was $100,000,000,000. The cost that year for the war on drugs was $105,000,000,000. Declaring drugs illegal is good for two groups: drug trafficers and drug law enforcement. It's high profits for one and job security for the other. OK, my little drug rant is over.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#173989 - 04/08/06 12:49 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sol:
It's probably because most users are uneducated imbeciles to start with. I've done it all my life. My university GPA was 3.7 (at 30 years old), I passed the PE exam the first time through, and I generally come out on top debaiting other people on whatever topic. Smoke-em if ya got-em, I say. smile

Sol from another thread---" I'd drop a bomb on the middle east large enough to turn the landscape to glass if I was president."

confused So there has been no effect on brain function from drugs and alcoholism?
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#173991 - 04/10/06 11:19 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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When I was growing up my old man taught me to never look for trouble and to avoid fights if at all possible. That said, he also told me if anyone ever hit me, to hit them back ten times harder, and if the guy is a big fuc%er, find something hard to hit him with. The Twin Towers and 5000+ American lives is fare trade for the entire Middle East in my mind.

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#173992 - 04/10/06 01:20 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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There are too many people that are nuts on this board. I think it's time to bag it. Goodbye folks!
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#173994 - 04/10/06 02:29 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Thread drift . . .

Sol,

That's brilliant. 3.7 gpa @ UW, never lose a debate, and equating what 19 hijackers and a few loose screws that were hanging out in Afghanistan from about 4 different countries with obliterating 1 billion people inhabiting a dozen or so countries in the ME makes you quite the analyst. Either your father or UW or both appear to have failed you.

Are you trying to fill in for TK now? (just joking, I hope!)

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#173995 - 04/10/06 04:36 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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I didn't say I *never* lose a debate, just rarely. wink

Of course bombing the ME to oblivion makes no equitable sence compared to 911. I'm just being the extreamist that I am. Saying such things is a release for higher thinking individuals like myself. laugh

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#173997 - 04/10/06 07:31 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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I've learned not to argure with the Mrs. Even when I'm right she'll find a way to make it *sound* like I'm wrong with that circular logic of hers. About five minutes into it I can rarely remember what the hell my point was to begin with. Women.

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#173998 - 04/10/06 07:33 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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You are entertaining Sol. My daddy died in an airplane crash before I was old enough to advise. However, his surrogate, my uncle said that if you are really good you needn't tell anyone about it. The friends, acquaintances, public will all know it.

Proud of you SuckerSnagger. I totally agree. Now that might just be scary enough to bring you back. cool

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#174000 - 04/10/06 11:00 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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". . . extreamist that I am. Saying such things is a release for higher thinking individuals like myself."

OK, Sol. You're golden again. Since this thread is about pot anyway . . .

Salmo

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#174001 - 04/11/06 10:45 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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BTW: I can live without the stuff. I just choose not to. smile

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#174003 - 04/11/06 11:02 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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i totally agree with ya sol-
i think its the only way i ever got an A in operations management and some of my other higher math classes..... some of the smartest people i know are daily smokers......

heres a math problem for ya sol- create a perfect circle....... now create a square with the exact same area...... laugh beathead

they dont bite till ya light!
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#174004 - 04/11/06 11:06 AM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Quote:
If smoking pot made him dumber,
You ever think it might make him smarter? wink

Here's an algebra problem Fishead5 sent me. It took me about 20 minutes to solve last night.

http://ian-albert.com/misc/algebra.php

I'll post the worked out solution if ya'll can't solve it. laugh

Lupo: Thats easy unless you want to define more stringent parameters, just set the areas equal and solve. smile

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#174006 - 04/11/06 01:23 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Quote:
I doubt it would be too smart to smoke pot when you work in an industry with random drug testing.
That always pissed me off. What people do on there own time is nobody's business but their own.

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#174007 - 04/11/06 02:14 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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5.75....I guess I haven't done as much damage as I thought I had. It's been a while but I received straight A's in math through Calc.
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#174008 - 04/11/06 02:32 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Way to go, Bro. smile Here's the nuts and bolts for those WSU grads. laugh

Rope=1/3 LB/FT
Hanging Wt.=Wt. Monkey
Banana=2 Oz./In.
Length Rope=Age Monkey
Monkey Wt.(Oz.)=Monkeys Moms Age
Monkey Age+Moms Age=30

(Monkey/2)+Banana=(Rope Wt.+Hanging Wt.)/4
Therefore, Monkey+4Banana=Rope Wt.

x=Monkeys Age
y=Moms Age

y=3x/2
x=30-y
Therefore, y=3(30-y)/2
y=18
x=12

Rope=12'
Wt. Rope=0.333(12)=3.99 Lbs=63.99 Oz

Substitute into above: 18 Oz + 4 Banana = 63.99 Oz

Banana=11.49 Oz
11.49 Oz / (2 Oz/In) = 5.75"

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#174009 - 04/11/06 02:42 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Posts: 16958
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I got yer banana right here, Sol. banana
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#174010 - 04/11/06 02:54 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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sol- but wont a circle have a surface area that ends in a repeating decimal that is not attainable with a square? i cant remember where i got that one from ,but i think it was from a sandwich shop on mercer island where a math proffesor puts up math problems and if the kids can solve it, they get a free sandwich.

my neighbor is a math proffessor and he loves to solve problems and stump me with em...... im a square headed sweed., so they take me quite a while
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#174011 - 04/11/06 04:10 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Sol Offline
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Quote:
I got yer banana right here, Sol.
Are you the 18 Oz. monkey holding it? laugh I love the way they make those units work out. wink

Lupo: Thus my statement about more parameters. That problem could be solved up to a couple of decimal places, but like you pointed out, Pie goes on in a non-repeating sequence of decimals to infinity, which would yeild an area unattainable with square geometry.

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#174012 - 04/11/06 04:18 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Pi is cool.
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#174013 - 04/11/06 04:40 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Infinity is incomprehensible.
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#174014 - 04/11/06 08:30 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Integers also include negative numbers.
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#174015 - 04/11/06 11:39 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dan S.:
Pi is cool.
Hair pi...
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#174016 - 04/12/06 07:23 PM Re: Memory, Speed of Thinking Get Worse over Time with Marijuana Use
seastrike Offline
Hey Man....It's cool...

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 4242
Loc: seattle
I guess this thread had two parts.

1 I'm totally pro dope.
2 I agree with the general in the first Gulf Conflict that said
"Nuke em til they're glass, strap fatbacks on your feet and skate till Christmas."

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