#174640 - 05/01/06 10:10 PM
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#174642 - 05/02/06 10:44 AM
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River Nutrients
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Micro
Hmmm, I think almost those exact words were spoken by a few Native Americans back in the day
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#174644 - 05/02/06 02:39 PM
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River Nutrients
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Lupo LOL that's a good one I ride the fence on this issue. On one hand I want to protect what I have. On the other I hate to see people live in poverty. Also if you think about it, what right do we have to say no to anyone who wants to live in the US? Hell, all we did to earn it was steal the land. Just a thought.
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#174645 - 05/03/06 04:54 PM
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i agree..... i ride the fence too. i think the best way to stop illegal immigration would be to stop destroying economies to the south of us by our government and stop allowing banks like chase manhattan to intentionally manipulate foreign economies. that and debt cancellation.
but in an america, run by conservatives, no solution will ever be put in place for any problem that actually pulls the weed up by the roots.... only "solutions" to stop the symptoms
build a fence - covers up symptoms
if we create an economic tide that lifts all boats, people will not have the desire to come here.....they dont come here because they love the culture or love our movies like we like to think.... most only want to make money and would rather live in their own communities back home if they could make a living wage
thats why you dont often hear of a costa rican up here in the usa as an illegal immigrant....they have no desire to leave costa rica
humans desired to go to the moon....and they got there.....can we really stop the desire of millions to come into a country with thousands of miles of open borders? no way...... so the only option in my mind is to deal with the desire to come here.... what are they fleeing? what are the causes of it?
yet instead we lend mexico no help to catch their president who stole billions and fled to his yacht in international waters..... but the thief is friends with the bush fammily so our govt will lend no help in his capture!!!!!!!!
i also think that it is wrong that we can all go on vacation in their country but they cannot come on vacation here.....
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#174646 - 05/03/06 07:10 PM
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River Nutrients
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but the thief is friends with the bush fammily so our govt will lend no help in his capture!!!!! Bush makes me wish abortion was retroactive.
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#174647 - 05/03/06 08:38 PM
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Bush is the only thing between you guys and Taliban servitude...
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#174649 - 05/03/06 10:00 PM
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Chase Manhattan manipulates economies? Hell they are PIKERS compared to George Soros. He destroys a countries economy and their national currency too. OF course he can't be all bad, he supports Kak , Kerry I mean, and the rest of the liberal leftist nitwits. Does someone have the number of billions he spent on defeating Bush in 2004? It was a bunch of bucks. He needs to learn to face 135 degrees to the wind.
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#174650 - 05/04/06 03:00 AM
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River Nutrients
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Wish I had come around to read this sooner. I have dealt with union workers on two occasions. Both times they were the laziest bunch of slackers I have ever been around. Funny thing was, they resented the hard working guys who had "all this nice stuff" who worked for independant companys. Nothing funnier than a big pile of union guys hitting the break room every two hours like clock work and *****ing and moaning about every little thing. Upside was, they put themselves in a cage as far as wages go, and had little or no self thought process. Asking them to actually do anything was like crapping glass. Just talking to them about work was like walking through a mine field. Constantly on the look out for you to "say" something outside the lines of the "contract" so they could bail and you pay them anyway. It was never about what "we will do" it was always about "what we won't do".
Union workers.. clogging up lunch rooms all over the country.. Unions suck. In many cases, they "bargin" them selves right out of work. Most would rather deal with a contracter on the free markey system than deal with all the Union crap, and they get the job done, and get paid better in the end,
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#174651 - 05/05/06 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dave D: Micro
Hmmm, I think almost those exact words were spoken by a few Native Americans back in the day Which tribe? What did they call this country? Who Was the president? Where did they come from? Were they really here first? We have an organizational structure with 50 states We have laws and those laws are being broken. Are you saying we should just kick back and let the invasion happen? We have the resources to stop it. The indians didnt.
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#174654 - 05/07/06 12:50 AM
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I think the "Tribes" need to sit down and shut up, and their "Tribal Rights" crap needs to be flushed at 9:00AM tomorrow........if being a regular American citizen isn't good enough for them, then it's back to cowboys and indians, and I also have a few drops of Native American blood in my veins............but I don't brag/complain about it.
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#174656 - 05/07/06 12:11 PM
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Any of you folks going to the NIMIIPUU "Summer of Peace" event? The Nez Perce are hosting a remembrance of the Lewis and Clark visit. June 6, thru June 17 at Lewis and Clark State College in Lewiston and at the Nez Perce National Historical Park in Spalding, Idaho. The Military re-enactors groups will attend the event. Any one with even a drop of aboriginal blood should attend.
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#174657 - 05/07/06 01:02 PM
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"I think the "Tribes" need to sit down and shut up, and their "Tribal Rights" crap needs to be flushed at 9:00AM tomorrow"
I'll make a deal with ya. Let me come over to your house and lock you and nine of your family members up in your entry closet, (I don't care if you can't fit). I'll have some of my friends come over to raid your fridge and rape the women. You're not allowed to hunt, fish gather or trade to support your family, instead you can make due with the spoiled commodities that I give you. When you try and sneak out to hunt some food to serve to your starving/dying children, I kill someone in your family. When you cry about the cold and hunger I'll hand you a Bible and some small pox/TB infected blankets. After I'm done killing the rest of your family off I'll offer you a treaty, that says you can keep the closet all for yourself, as long as you never advance or become a permanent member of the rest of the modern world. I'll give you a little more time, then I'll take the closet back. I'll make sure you can't vote, or own property, because I don't consider you human, only a savage. then I'll draft you into the army with the hopes that you die overseas. If somehow you manage to survive the ordeal, I'll blame you for killing all the wildlife and call you something like "mup" or "injun" and make sure that you never get a fair chance as an "American" to advance whatever paltry population you have left and adapt to the modern world. When you allow me to do this, I'll go to every reservation on the West Coast and tell them to sit down and shut up personally.
The fact is, Natives don't want to take anything away from you, they don't give a sh** about you. They want a little room and some of what's left of the resources to maintain. They also want to be integrated into society as they realize they have no other choice but to adapt and that will be the only way for their children to improve on generations past and become self sufficient "red-blooded Americans". They want the same for their children as you want for yours. Food on the table, a chance at a good education, equality, peace. I hope you spend every last dime in a casino, I hope your daughter marries a Native and has little mixed blood children that call you Grandpa and forces you to have just a little more compassion for what "ain't white".
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#174658 - 05/07/06 04:32 PM
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I don't know what you think you read, but nothing in my post could have possibly drew a reply like that !
I don't have any concern for anyone's skin color nor heritage, I think everyone has the equal opportunity to succede or fail based mostly on ambition, and to a lesser degree intelligence....
I have lived and worked with Natives in S.E. Alaska, and I have seen their (so called)stewardship of their lands with my own eyes. I can not think of any worse way to manage resorces that what I have seen them do, they clear-cut every inch of their land, to the last tree, then plead with the Feds to trade them some other land for their unplanted clear-cuts !
Why should one group of people be selected out of the U.S. population for special benefits ?
Everybody here has decended from people who did the best they could with what they had, and none of us deserves the "right" to rape and plunder natural resorces based on whomever their ancestors were, where they lived, nor what color their skin was.
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#174660 - 05/07/06 05:21 PM
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Org boy, do you have a bi-polar thing going on, maybe a little short term memory problem? In case you missed your previous post I'll paste it here again for your review...
"I think the "Tribes" need to sit down and shut up, and their "Tribal Rights" crap needs to be flushed at 9:00AM tomorrow........if being a regular American citizen isn't good enough for them, then it's back to cowboys and indians"
Did you comment earlier on another thread that you were a logger?? Have you never worked in a clear cut?? Did you post on another thread that you have seen the Tongass and it should opened up for oil exploration, because the Natives aren't going to do anything but plunder it anyway?? Isn't it hard to talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time?? Do the natives in SE AK have more land than the state/federal private industry folks? Tell me, since you so informed about how the Natives are screwing everything up in AK, how much land, percentage wise, do the Natives clearcut, versus State/Federal or Private Industry??
I'll have to thank you though, I'm laughing to myself inside at how ridiculous your arguments are. At home, I'm giving you my own personal "New TK of the PP Board" award. Thanks for the entertainment.
I grew up in the Northwest. I started logging when I was 15 in Ukiah. It was public land that had to be removed because of gypsy moth infestation (silly me, how could I forget that the Natives must have brought the moths over on the Bering Land Bridge?). I've worked in clear cuts for the DNR and many private companies, but the Native trust lands are so rare that I have actually never worked on one. Oh yeah, they clear cut "everything" so they have nothing left. Tell that to the tribes in Grand Ronde that rely on yearly income from forrestry that helps in everything from education to elder care.
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#174661 - 05/07/06 05:40 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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You can pretend not to understand my posts.......
I am definatly a logger by profession, never denied it, I also have a little commercial fishing experiance, and have been a licensed hunting guide, flipped a few burgers and delivered the local newspaper before that........
At the present time there is darn near nothing happening as far as logging in the Tongass, in the past there was extensive clear-cutting. Hopefully there will be more clear-cuts in the future, but not extending from one shore of an island all the way to the other shore like the Natives do. Modern forest practices are much different than historical forest practices, and the Natives need to be held to the higher standards just like the rest of us........
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#174662 - 05/07/06 05:44 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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What is the harm in drilling a hole in the ground and pumping money out ?
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