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#177862 - 10/01/06 10:31 PM Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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September 29, 2006 Ratnerville: What Economic Impact Study? | Main | Newspaper Held Foley Story »


Mark Foley's One Sick Pup
By Power Plays | September 29, 2006

Bob Norman of New Times Broward-Palm Beach, has Republican congressman Mark Foley's number, and has had it for a while.



Norman posts this about the freshly disgraced representative in The Daily Pulp:


Foley One Sick Pup

Turns out former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley was sitting around in his underwear sending e-mails to teen boys about masturbation, or “spanking it” as the Republican Congressman calls it. Brian Ross at ABC News got hold of the messages and when Foley found out, he quit almost on the spot.

The truly sad thing about this is that Foley has only confirmed the worst Christian Right stereotypes about gay men, stereotypes that of course are largely untrue. But then again he’s never represented or embodied the larger gay population. He’s a gay man in the closet at the age of 52 — and a Republican, no less. We should have all expected this kind of thing.

Interesting information in those e-mails, though. Foley, for those inquiring minds that want to know, likes to masturbate with lotion and a towel and considers 7 1/2 inches a great penis size.

We learn this while he’s chatting with a teenager who’s mother is yelling at him about his homework.

Yep, Foley is a goddamn predator.

Unbelievable. The following exchange is one Foley had with a kid in 2003, not long before I wrote the outing story. Foley is Maf54 (MAF being his initials).
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Maf54 (7:37:27 PM): how my favorite young stud doing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:46 PM): tired and sore

Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): you need a massage

Xxxxxxxxx (7:41:57 PM): ugh tomorrow i have the first day of lacrosse practice
Maf54 (7:42:27 PM): love to watch that
Maf54 (7:42:33 PM): those great legs running
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:38 PM): haha…they arent great

Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny
Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol…a bit
Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy
Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow…
Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:51 PM): haha
Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:15 PM): thats true
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend
Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though
Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not
Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily
Xxxxxxxxx (7:51:57 PM): not me
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week
Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number
Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:47 PM): and quickly
Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:03 PM): eh ya
Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:30 PM): no face down
Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:34 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:36 PM): i see that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really
Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand…i use the bed itself
Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel
Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really
Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya
Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:00 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess
Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not
Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm
Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual

Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand
Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion…takes too much time to clean up
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off….and go
Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard….or its not good
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry
Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:23 PM): ya….
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw
Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft
Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess
Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:06 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow
Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp…or growing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing
Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich
Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**
Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like
Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom
Maf54 (8:01:04 PM): whats yours
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:09 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:14 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:23 PM): i have a cast fetish
Maf54 (8:01:27 PM): well tell me
Maf54 (8:01:32 PM): cast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:44 PM): ya like…plaster cast
Maf54 (8:01:49 PM): ok..so what happens
Maf54 (8:01:58 PM): how does that turn you in
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:02 PM): i dont know
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:04 PM): it just does
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:08 PM): ive never had one
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:16 PM): but people that have them turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:27 PM): and if i had one it would probably turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:29 PM): beats me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:32 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:50 PM): but along with that i like the whole catholic girl look….thats our schools uniform
Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild
Xxxxxxxxx (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard
Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2
Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going
Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab
Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight…dont get to excited
Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard
Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true
Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:11 PM): and also tru
Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that
Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2
Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful
Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you
Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb…my mom is yelling
Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back
Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad
Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good
Maf54 (8:15:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:15:11 PM): why
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:23 PM): cause she cant do anything
Maf54 (8:15:31 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:41 PM): she couldnt figure out how to download a file from an email and open it
Maf54 (8:15:53 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:14 PM): and she only does it like a million times a day
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:16 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:18 PM): whatever
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:53 PM): well i better go finish my hw…i just found out from a friend that i have to finish reading and notating a book for AP english Maf54 signed off at 8:17:43 PM.”
——————
How bad is that? Here’s another excerpt:

Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Maf54 (7:53:45 PM): in your shorts and polo shirt?
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:06 PM): no athletic shorts and t shirt…had soccer practice today
Maf54 (7:54:15 PM): ummm nice
Maf54 (7:54:30 PM): jock strap too
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:41 PM): not iin soccer
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:42 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:09 PM): what do you wear then
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:55:20 PM): just our boxers and shorts
Maf54 (7:55:34 PM): good
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:55:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:42 PM): shows your package then
Xxxxxxxxxx (8:33:29 PM): ya slow things down a little im still young…like under 18 dont want to do anything illegal…im not 18 till feb 23
Maf54 (8:33:43 PM): i know..
Maf54 (8:33:50 PM): nothing will happen
Maf54 (8:34:04 PM): just dreaming
Maf54 (8:45:32 PM): your horny though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:45:39 PM): well ya a bit
Xxxxxxxxx (8:45:45 PM): but im still a virgin
Maf54 (6:26:40 PM): your in the boxers too
Xxxxxxxxx (6:26:47 PM): nope just got home
Maf54 (6:27:39 PM): well strip down and get relaxed

Nice to see our reps on Capitol Hill at work, huh?


7:09 pm
2 Comments »
Is this guy getting arrested and prosecuted? Even though this particular teen was over 16, he was still under 18 and I’m wondering if this case could fall under the statute which enlarges the age of consent from 16 to under 18 where the perpetrator is in a position of authority vis a vis the victim, e.g. a teacher. Also, this teen said he was “still a virgin” and there is (or was) language in the criminal statutes that pertains to perpetrators whose victims are “chaste” (?) at the time of the incident.

Anyway - is there an arrest in the offing? I hope this isn’t going to be swept under the rug or excused because he “admitted his problem” (but only after being outted and exposed as the pedophile he is). I’d hate to see a deal where they nolle pros the case in exchange ofr counseling. Now that would just be so wrong.

Comment by Donna — September 30, 2006 @ 12:25 am | Edit This

I am curios to know how the conservative Right views the upcoming investigation into Foley. The fact that he was co-founder and chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus is straight out of Robin William’s movie “BIRDCAGE.”

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586
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#177864 - 10/02/06 12:52 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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All the other boards Ive been on that are bloated with conservative loud-mouths they are either reminicing about The Clinton-Lewinsky affair or are trying to remind people about Chappaquidick.

Some people are trying to even defend the POS, like Clinton somehow set some kind of precedent making it quite alright to be a child molester if you pay your GOP tithe.
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#177868 - 10/02/06 06:29 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
fishhead5 Offline
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Ichtyoid, Did you miss Monica's birthday, where did the time go? It seems like yesterday she was crawling around on her knees on the white house carpet.

I don't care who you are Rep., Demo. or anything else. Start shooting them.
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#177872 - 10/02/06 10:28 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Those are some messed up Instant Messanger conversations...

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#177873 - 10/03/06 03:20 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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October surprise!!!

I wonder how long the dems knew before letting this info out, forget about the R's?

Sick pup for sure. Feed 'em to the fishes!!

At least he has resigned. How many in the big house have been busted for similar things and still making laws?? A few D's and R's. Neither side has cornered the freak market...
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#177875 - 10/03/06 10:25 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
Wailuku Offline
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Denial

They do it too! They set up Foley!
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610020013

There are bigger scandals than "naughty emails"


The victims are to blame!
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610020015

We didn't want to appear homophobic!

The Homosexual card!
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610020002

Any other excuse that deflects responsibility...

insert vomiting gremlin!

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#177877 - 10/04/06 12:36 AM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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#177879 - 10/04/06 11:14 AM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Who is the 'IM' page, and who was this page assigned to?

Who was supposed to do what? And on what legal grounds were they supposed to do it?


Why is it that a scandal involving Foley should implicate all Republicans, but a scandal involving say Barney Frank,Stubbs ,Clinton does not implicate all Democrats is limited to just them?

Do you really think people will swing votes based on this? Did it happen with effect after Clinton Lewinski?
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#177880 - 10/04/06 11:45 AM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Been a conservative all my life (notice I said conservative and not Republican). I despise liberal philosophy , the ACLU and their defense of NAMBLA (precisely what this is all about) and liberal judges. I hope these corrupt Republicans get voted out whether they participated or simply knew abotu it and did nothing. I can only hope they will be replaced by real men but I doubt there are any out there in the opposing parties. The DC culture does not encourage that type of mindset.

In the 60s when I was in college I was invited to a Young Dems meeting by a good looking chick. Not wanting to disapoint her I went and saw all I wanted to see of organized politics. I have voted the man ever since.

Follow a good man to DC and watch the deterioration advance. Few fail to succumb and finger pointing by immoral people at other immoral people just makes me want to puke.
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#177887 - 10/04/06 04:56 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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As sick as the emails are there is no crime in them. Again, Who was supposed to do what? And on what legal grounds were they supposed to do it?

The Press and the Dems were in possesion of the same emails what did they do? Nothing because there was nothing they could do.

The IM's are from the same time period but were not in anyones possesion so how could they act on something they did not have or know about?

I smell another Plamegate. Big fuss lots of accusations towards the wrong people and then nothing.
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#177888 - 10/04/06 06:35 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
Ichtyoid Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Khock:
As sick as the emails are there is no crime in them.
Oh my fawking god. You are either dumber than a bag of hammers or you are a molester trying to justify your brothers in arms.

Ever heard of Communicating With a Minor for Immoral Purposes?

Or is that just The "love" part of your little NAMBLA club?

You sick piece of crap. Defending a Sex Predator....
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#177889 - 10/04/06 06:56 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
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It's not illegal to sit at your desk and spank your monkey and jizz all over the magazine on your desk either.

But if your party leadership caught you doing it, they sure as hell ought to ask for your resignation.
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#177890 - 10/04/06 06:56 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
TheKang Offline
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Ichtyoid,

I sure you know what the age of consent is and what constitutes a minor in such cases?

The FBI does and has concluded there is no crime in the emails made public.

So rather than pedophilia it appears to be a homosexual trying to hook up. Funny the left would demonize something they cherish.

They say one is likely to blindly charge someone with something they themselves partake in but attempt to cover up.
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#177892 - 10/04/06 07:24 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Tough job posting!

Eunoch preferred or required?

The major difference in my mind Aunty is there is nobody including Ich trying to minimalize the horror in Amish country. However with the current situation it would appear there is the potential people who could set the wheels of justice in motion on Foley chose not to. That just sop happens to be the folks minimalizing this. That concerns me and should concern everyone. So should Iraq, So should the handling of Katrina, so should the environment, so should the humanitarian crisis in Africa, so should......

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#177893 - 10/04/06 07:32 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Again, Who was supposed to do what? And on what legal grounds were they supposed to do it?


It appears that some think that this govt. is supposed to act according to their wishes and perfectly everytime. The govt. consists of millions of people and across every state and there are conflicting rules, regulations and procedures that effect every event. I doubt very few people "within govt." set out to do harm.
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#177894 - 10/04/06 07:46 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Quote:
Originally posted by AuntyM:
I think I see what is wrong with this country now. Too many men thinking with their penis. I say, let's castrate all politicians.
It's already been tried.

The Ming Dynasty in Imperial China was controlled by Eunuchs.

Now that you mention it, All the corruption, tyranny, torture, abuses, pedophilia, usurpations and power plays by The GOP is almost exactly like what transpired in the Eunuch Government of China.

rofl

Quote:
The major difference in my mind Aunty is there is nobody including Ich trying to minimalize the horror in Amish country.
This thread isnt about The Amish Massacre, so kindly keep on topic.
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#177896 - 10/04/06 08:51 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Yeah well don't try making it out like all men have trouble keeping their d!cks in their pants. They don't.

This piece of sh!t is a chi-mo, and that's all there is to it. Crimianl behavior? Who gives a [Bleeeeep!].........it isn't ACCEPTABLE behavior.

And this muddying the water about how the left would defend his actions IF the teen was older. Yeah, well, no sh!t, Einstein. That's because if the teen was older, he'd be an ADULT. And if an egg was older, it would be a chicken. And you don't make a friggin' omelet with chickens do you?

If a Dem had done this, you sure as hell wouldn't catch me defending him, or as laughable as it is, try to make it the Republicans' fault.


Pathetic.
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#177897 - 10/04/06 08:56 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Aunty How would Billary shake out in your government? Spayed or neutered?

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#177898 - 10/04/06 09:01 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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Koch,

While I find your stand laughable I do have a question for you?

What would you want to have done if it were your child? Would you want the people in charge to take action when they find out about it? Perhaps you would have been happy with a stern talking to the offender?

You can choose to trivialize this or you can be honest!!!

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#177900 - 10/04/06 09:41 PM Re: Congress Hard at work...Foley One Sick Pup
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I am not so dillusional as to believe Hillary is President, that I thought was obvious, but so be it.

I agree there is an extreme dirth in maternal leadership and I personally would like to see a stronger presence. By definition our "representative Democracy" should demand it!


oops there goes my claims of dillusional innocense!

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