Why are the French being singled out? What about Chinese products? German products? Then there's Russia, Mexico, Camaroon, etc.

So that means not using half your electronic gear, not enjoying a heffe weisen or wurst, no tacos, no cigars, no vodka......

Seems kind of stupid to restrict your own freedom because some countries have the balls to stand behind their beliefs and exercise their own freedom. Don't forget that most of the countries that are jumping on our bandwagon are doing it for a price. That makes them whores in my book.

Just because they don't agree with us doesn't make them wrong. You should respect them for having the courage to stand by their convictions. That's what democracy -- and freedom -- is all about.

now thats what i say way to goharley couldnt say it any better then that to bad our goverment doesit understand that to.

goharley

The French owe us!
Have they forgot who saved them?

Damn right they owe us a hell of a lot

I don't believe that privately owned firearms have much to do with whether or not we'll ever be attacked.
I do believe that the vast majority of gun control advocates don't know [Bleeeeep!] about guns.

Everyone's huffing and puffing about America not being invaded, which is exactly what is happening on a daily basis. Look at the millions of illegal Mexicans that are taking over the Southeast as well as the Southwest. Just wait, another ten years and half of your town will be comprised of illegal Mexicans. Too bad our government isn't stopping this invasion.

Well it's obvious to me that the solution to all our problems is to arm all the illegal aliens coming in from Mexico, with cheap assault weapons, give them a lifetime membership in the NRA, and have our rednecks teach them to place five rounds in a nickle at 100 yards.

Then, we need to boycott any nation that does not fully support our policies. That now includes, Russia, China, Cameroon, France, Germany, the citizens of Canada and Great Britain.

To avoid looking hypocritical we should repay France for its troops and money that were responsible for us winning the revolutionary war, and perhaps we should dismantle and return the Statute of Liberty. It's been a bit of an embarrassment anyway, what with its lofty ideals like "Give us your huddled masses." Hell once all the Mexicans are allowed in, we wont have any more room for masses, huddled or not.

Once those two steps are completed we should be safe from any possible invasion. After all, who would want to invade a country full of armed, ill educated aliens, that have no access to most of the world's trade goods?

All we would have to give up is the huge share of our economy that relies on world trade.

It shouldn?t take us too long to learn to say "freedom fries" At least we don't need to import potatoes. And we will have pleanty of Mexicans to serve us our super sized freedom fires. But don't give them any lip, cuz they will all be armed.

4Salt:

What you just described already happened once…I think it was called the Revolutionary War. Remember, the British thought the EXACT same way you do!!!
The rest is History..

Just a side note. The Army that you are describing that are experts in urban warfare and the best training in the world in called the US Army/Marines/Air force/Navy… Other than that I really think that with so many reservists and ex-military out there alone, can't forget the militias, the sheer size of our country, I don't think anyone would have a chance in hell!!!

PMartin,

Did you take the time to ACTUALLY read my post, or did you just rush to reply?

During the Revolutionary war THE BRITISH WERE ALREADY HERE! Remember, we were COLONISTS, part of the British empire. They WERE NOT a foreign country that came to invade.

Another small history lesson for you. We ACTUALLY had an army as well. (albeit they were made up mostly of local militia) George Washington was a general in that army, remember? I'm SURE that they were somewhat trained, and disciplined (as well as they could be under those circumstances) and didn't just run out half-cocked, shooting at anything that moved.

The thing I get the biggest kick out of is how some people get all testosteroned up talking about how they're gonna shoot any invaders that show up, and that some rural civilians are so tough that hey, what do we even need an army for? We can handle the invaders ourselves. After all we can put 5 rounds in a nickel at 100 yards, so what chance does a large mechanized, heavily armed, TRAINED force have against the Tenino chapter of Ducks Unlimited?

You must have also missed the part where I said "OUR MILITARY DEFENSE CAPABILITIES" along with logistical obstacles were the biggest deterrent to foreign invasion.

One last point. For not knowing much about urban warfare tactics, the Japanese and Germans sure seemed to be effective at conquering a large portion of the world in a relatively short period of time back in the late 1930's.

There are so many tangents to this thread let me use this one reply to all topics.

Those of you who think that New Zealand, France, Australia, and Germany are in the right on all of the above topics should move there.

Thank you.

Name one large URBAN battle in the '30's??

Thanks, lernt a ton todayyy

If I had the time and energy this could be fun


The part of your writing I really like is that you DON"T THINK Americans WOULD stand up and FIGHT!!!

Someone else will do it right???

Here is a pretty good article that gets summed up quite well in the last three paragraphs.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/884682.asp?0cv=CB10

Seems like everything boils down to greed, power, and sometimes women.....


FREE IRAQ
BOMB FRANCE!!!

Here is a pretty good article that gets summed up quite well in the last three paragraphs.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/884682.asp?0cv=CB10

Seems like everything boils down to greed, power, and sometimes women.....


FREE IRAQ
BOMB FRANCE!!!

Pmartin,

You know what the weirdest thing is? What I've typed onto the board from my computer doesn't seem to be the same thing that is appearing on your monitor screen.

Where did I say that I didn't think that American citizens would fight? What I said was that the battle would in all probability favor an army over a group of civilians.

Be that as it may, let me try to sum up for you my point in a way that will not lose it's meaning in the translation:

The reason we weren't invaded during WW2 had MUCH more to do with our military defense capability, and the fact that the Atlantic and Pacific oceans kinda presented a slight barrier, than Japan worrying about our armed civilians.

Remember, they had just engaged a lot of supposedly powerful militaries of the time (Britain, France) while conquering Asia, and made short work of them, and even the U.S. in the early stages of the war.

The British DID attempt invasion, but it was during the war of 1812. They were ultimately repelled, and the war eventually won by the MILITARY of the fledgling United States, not it's civilians with their hunting muskets. As far as the Revolutionary war goes, England already had troops, ships and supplies here. Just like we have in say, Puerto Rico. (our territory) They didn't just decide to land on the beaches and begin an invasion like Japan or Germany would have had to. (I'm pretty sure neither had troops already on our soil.)

If you want to get technical though, Japan did invade, and occupied 2 islands in the Aleutian chain that as you know were part of what was to become the state of Alaska. You could also count the Phillipines, and the other islands in the Pacific that were U.S. territories at the time. Let's just stick with the actual contiguous United States though.

The term "Urban warfare" may have been used incorrectly on my part. Invasion (of both cities and rural areas) of the mainland U.S. is what I meant. Armed troops with tanks, artillery, air support, and overwhelming numbers against civilians with hunting rifles and hand guns. Japan DID have these capabilities early on in WW2.

Semantics aside, I agree that arguing on the subject is pretty much a waste of "Valuable work time." So this will be it for me. Hopefully I've now cleared it up enough for you so that the need for hostility and sarcasm are no longer present.

p.s. To answer this question:

And we'll include the early 40's as well:

Warsaw, Paris, Prague, Brussels, Shanghai, Manilla... shall I go on?

4Salt

It kind of sounds likes to want to knock everybody that goes up against your wisdom.

I hope that is not true! It's kind of like the city guy who can't kill a mole in his back yard because of all those "rednecks" who are all out there trying to get those hides!

This thread certainly does not reflect what our personal positions, knowledge, or views are when it comes to fishing or managing our resources. When you touch a nerve to many, you will surly get reactions. Maybe that's why you are a "Television Producer"; you kind of know how to get to people!

Am I right?

P.S., what were all those "minute men" ....engineers or rednecks?

Cowlitzfisherman

Alright, Alright! One more and that's it! (I promise)

Cowlitz,

How the hell does what I do for a living have any bearing on expressing my opinion through dialog with Pmartin?

Do you mean that retired fishing guides' opinions are somehow more relevant?

Make some sense man! for a change. :p

"Ive got a shotgun, a rifle, and a 4 wheel drive, and a country boy can survive"

For all the Rednecks out there, a little Hank Williams JR

Don't get me wrong, I love this country and will support it til I die, but some of you need a slight reality check... The "US is a super-power that will never fall" attitude is great and all, but keep in mind the short amount of time the US has existed compared to something like the Roman Empire. These 'empires' or 'super-powers' are like teen-agers who feel indistructable - but in time they always fall. We are no different (we just seem to think we are). But some day, we'll fall. It may be war where nukes and\or chemicals are involved, or some new disease\plague, meteor? or just a severe economic depression that weakens us just long enough for someone to make a move. Who know if it will be in 1 year or 100 years, but anyone who thinks we are invicible is only fooling himself.
Count each day as a blessing and be thankful for the freedom you have today.

4Salt

All I can say to you is "producers" tend to be people that tell others how to act, and what to do....and how to do it!

Where as guides are people who tend to tell people how to catch fish and how to do it!

Is there a big difference, well the board members can figure that one out!

Sorry if I reeled in your line...but isn't that what guides do when others get all tangled up? Someone has to untangle those messes!

Now you have promised already; "Alright, Alright! One more and that's it! (I promise)" that was your last reply...right?

Now lets see if you are a man of your word!!


PhishPhreak

If the U.S. ever falls it will most likely be because of one of two events; 1) we suffer a massive nuclear attack from another nation, or 2) we revolt from within. Most likely, it will be number 2) from within!


Cowlitzfisherman

Wow - next time I need to know the future I know who to ask. Glad you got it all figured out dude

But it's not 'if it ever falls' - it's when...

A revolt from inside? Hmmm, the South failed last time that kind of thing was tried. Just imagine what it would have been like if the North had jets, tanks, etc...