#193799 - 04/09/03 08:17 PM
Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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... if you follow all the fishing rules and regulations.
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#193801 - 04/09/03 09:39 PM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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River Nutrients
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Good answer Salmo.
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#193805 - 04/09/03 10:10 PM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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Dazed and Confused
Registered: 03/05/99
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I'll bite and say "Yes". To Salmo's response, I'll agree and disagree. You're right on with the mention of following the rules and the varied views of "ethics" .... BUT, I think there are some basic principles of ethical fisherman that we can all agree upon. First and foremost is a concern for the resource. This doesn't mean wild steelhead release That means: Regardless of rules and regs, an individual angler realizes his impacts and works to limit them within reason. What does that mean? An example would be the use of divers and bait for steelhead that I wish to release. The law says I can do, but knowing that a number of fish that I'd release would die means that I choose not to use them as it's wasteful. Another example of this is our policy of NO RELEASE on our silver fishing in AK. It costs us some trips, but it's well documented that these estuarine silvers with bait suffer mortalities of about 70% ... we're not gonna sit there and throw back dead fish after dead fish. An ethical angler also respects the habitat. That means you don't toss your garbage into the river, or pouring your used oil into the river. Another example might be dragging your anchor through beds to slow you down while fishing the deeper water on the other side of the river. While some might argue that this is open to the "opinion" that Salmo refers to, I don't think so. Any angler who knowingly disregards their impacts on established beds is not ethical in my eyes, and I don't think many would argue that point. Wasting your catch is probably the most obvious eaxmple I could refer to. regardless of an individual's feelings on what should be released, or how you should fish ... I think just about everyone would agree that wanton waste is wrong. As far as following rules, I don't think there's anyone out there that can honestly say they've never broken a rule at one point or another. We've probably all forgotten a license somewhere at one time or another or fogotten to pich a barb ... but I think it comes come to intent there. If you say "oh I'll take my chances on buying a license for the season" or "it won't hurt to take a few extra fish" ... I think most will agree that that falls into another category. It boils down to intent with "ethics". I'm sure I could add a few more, but I think most will get my point ...
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#193806 - 04/09/03 10:53 PM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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The problem with the question is as others have said, its relative. It's about has profound as asking "are you a good person." Without applying a standard- which the question does not, there is no objective way to measure how ethical or unethical you are. The reality and "feeling" of the question are two different things entirely.
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#193807 - 04/09/03 11:37 PM
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It is a very simple question. It is "Applying a standard" which is obeying the fishing laws and "relative" to a person who doesn't obey the law. May be I should have asked: If someone is obeying the fishing laws do you consider him to be an ethical fisherman. I assumed you would understand what I meant
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#193808 - 04/10/03 12:58 AM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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River Nutrients
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Sthilhead,
Uhm, I guess I'm not quite getting across. I might think an angler who follows the regulations is nonetheless unethical because he kills native steelhead, which I might choose to regard as unethical, and he may choose to regard as ethical. Asking if something is ethical is about the same as asking if something is moral. Different people, particularly of different religions, for example, occasionally have differing moral and or other values. You and I may share some ethical values and not others. So whether I think what someone else does is ethical or not only indicates whether it's ethical according to my values and not the other person's. That's why I think a question like this isn't relevant - because ethical values are relative.
Bob used some examples of ethical values that he thinks most of us might agree to. I agree that most of us probably would. However, I know and have known individuals who had no ethical problem whatever in not observing certain selective fish and game regulations. I grew up in south county and had neighbors who observed the code of the hills - that was their ethics.
So while your question was simple, a simple answer just doesn't have much relevance.
Sincerely,
Salmo g.
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#193809 - 04/10/03 01:35 AM
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haveing been around and in other cultures and haveing just completed a class on bio medical ethics I will tell you this. Ethic can not be dictated by laws only by the level of punsihment.
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#193810 - 04/10/03 01:47 AM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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Originally posted by STIHLHEAD: It is a very simple question. It is "Applying a standard" which is obeying the fishing laws and "relative" to a person who doesn't obey the law.
May be I should have asked: If someone is obeying the fishing laws do you consider him to be an ethical fisherman. I assumed you would understand what I meant Easy to answer. Law and ethics are NOT the same thing at all. Being legalistic as your ethical blueprint for life.....well, not my idea of a thought out personal philosophy or philosophy on the ethics of fishing.
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#193811 - 04/10/03 03:43 AM
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Law and ethics are NOT the same thing at all. That is interesting! Our laws amongst other thing reflect our values, ethics, etc. It is still a VERY simple question.
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#193812 - 04/10/03 06:51 AM
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
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"Do you understand?" is another example of a simple question that has no meaning.....It's like asking, "Are you lying?"......no matter what the answer returned, you have no more than what you started out with. Another more appropriate one..."best available science".....implies that what was being used prior to this pop culture term was intentionally "not the best". Many politicians rely on these ambiguities and oxymorons...kind of a "best available political science", so to speak.
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#193813 - 04/10/03 10:42 AM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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Registered: 04/02/99
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Loc: Yakima Wa. U.S.A.
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Why was this poll made anyway? Someone has too much time on there hands. The Duck
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#193815 - 04/10/03 01:10 PM
Re: Poll: Are you an ethical fisherman?
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Spawner
Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 570
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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I'm not voting.....
You CAN be an ethical fisherman that follows all the rules and regs. There is no reg. that requires you to keep your limit of nates, for instance. If you can, but you choose not to, you're still following the regs, just not taking them to their legal limit...or am I missing something here.
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