Whatever country has the better fishing possibilities should be next!

Actually, I think the Syria thing is all about posturing. Hell, were right next door, just kicked the crap out of Iraq, and our military is all warmed up. What better time to send a warning. I dont think we'll actually make a left turn, just kinda looking over our shoulder that direction. Some of the other theories are pretty interesting though. We could come up with a seasons worth of 24 episodes with the last few weeks worth of topics!

Has Libya moved since the last time I looked at a map?

Might as well hit the USA too while we're at it cause thats where they train the pilots.

syria has no oil so bush wouldnt go in there his oil is in usa/iraq

dan s.- all they did was pay me and get me working papers. other than that, i had no personal involvement in anything illegal. I dont car if you dont believe me. but i would not discount too much what i am saying about colombia... do you know how many marines we have there right now? conpiracy theory reeking... or not... you will se an increased military involvement in colombia and probably before syria.
the owner of a guatemalan farm (michael devine.... look it up on the net if you want) that i stayed on had his head cut off by a guatemalan military captain that cannot be charged for the crime cuz he is a paid CIA officer. there is another crazy entertaining one for you to laugh at.... but look it up and you will see that it is real and i am serious. .

if you want a real laugh... prove this statement to be untrue(you cant)--- the us has helped to finance, arm and train the overthrow of more than 20 latin american democracy's and replace those elected governments with dictatorships. this lead to more than 200,000 dead in chile, more than 300,000 missing in argentina. more than 100,000 dead in el salvador. more than 300,000 dead in guatemala. we put noriega in power in panama who then killed tens of thousands and then we killed a couple of thousand more taking him out of power. more than 100,000 deaths due to our support of somoza in nicaragua.
we have a "monroe doctrine"- that declares the entire western hemisphere to be under US military and economic control.--- now thats funny.


here is a very funny question- if we are against terrorism... why are we still arming,trainig and financing terrorists at the "school of americas" in georgia?

this is a terrorist training camp for latin american armies to learn torcher, abduction and many other great tecniques that latter get employed against tourists. ( I met a man from twisp who went to guatemala city to start a fly tying business... he got kidnapped his first day in the city)
we dont get this on our news but the rest of the world does!
its called hypocricy! and the rest of the world is on to it. you can sit back and think that i am a conspiracy freak but I have been there and seen it and lived it. thats what changed me from a lil frat boy geek at 20 years old to someone with open eyes taking a real look at what is going on.

now if you want to hear one you really wont believe. my girlgriend at the time took care of richard burton and liz tailors house in gringo gulch on the hill over puerto vallarta. one day a mexican lesbian and her white girlfriend that lived there got into a fight that turned into a rock fight. I swear those lesbians can huck rocks. they were breaking windows left and right and rocks were flying thru $10,000 paintings and other art. the police came and everything and took the mexi-lez off to jail. I never thought two lesbians could make such a nice place look like one of sadamm's palaces so fast. -- i gotta actually do a little work now- later

Lezbos throwing rocks at each other??? What does that have to do with Syria or Columbia???
Like some one else mentioned above would make a great Fox special.

chappy,

I don't doubt it at all.......I just know if it was me, I wouldn't talk about it. "Things" have been known to happen when you talk about what certain gov't agencies are up to.

When did Libya move? I always thought it was one of them north African countries?

i know what ya mean dan.- this was ten years ago though and i did nothing but sell sailboat trips to tourists. I was actually selling time share before that and i can tell you THAT was dirty dirty work.
not sure who wrote about lez's not having to do with syria of colombia-- but who cares ... what do syria or colombia have to do with fishing? it was just a funny story that i saw down there. arnt we all just talking here? are we not supose to have any humor? i allways tell jokes while i fish. here is one of my favorites---- if a midget was gay... would he come out of the cupboard?

sthldh2o,
In response to your? I'm not aware of a new U.S. agenda. While I am now, and have been all along, unhappy about the loss of life, of (coalition) troops, and the destruction of Iraq, and the 10s of thousands of Iraqi lives lost, in a conflict that I feel could have been handled by a small number of specialists and a few well placed projectiles.

I think that Pres. Bush is a good man in a job that requires a man with more guile and deceitfulness(not sure thats a word). I suspect that he had, what he thought was good info., that saddam had WMD and was supporting terroist, and in the heat of trying to do the job that he promised to do after 9/11 (hunt down and kill terroists wherever they were and punish the people and governments who gave them shelter) and still look like he was trying to save the world, he said some things that put him in a spot he didn't know how to back out of. He got low holed by some people.

The U.S. is too concerned with trying to look like we are doing things for the good of everybody, when IMHO, we should do what is good for the U.S. and let the rest of the world do what is good for them. I think saddam out of power is good for the U.S. I think that the fact that the Iraqi people are out from under saddam is a nice bi-product.

There was never any ? about the outcome of the war militarily, and I don't think anybody thought we were gonna make a lot of new Arab friends. They do not like us! So if we have to live with them, what do we do?

I don't want to invade Syria, but I think that telling them to shape up or else is a good idea, if they are threatening our way of life.

But I think we should be up front and out in the open with our intentions, if you mess with us or ours you WILL pay the price.

I don't feel one little bit safer now than I did before we invaded Iraq, but I don't want to set here and wait for another 9/11 either.

You may be right with your theory, I don't think so. I think Pres. Bush is trying to do a job that might not be possible to do, but he is trying to do it.

Does this tell you where I'm at?


herm

Humor me for an instant, fantasize that he is honest and does not have a hidden agenda. Pretend he is trying to make America a safer place.


What would you have him do?
How would you have him do it?
(don't forget about all the people that think he's doing it wrong, or all of the people who have their own agendas)
Keep in mind all the people who are gonna die!
Don't forget if you don't get re-elected, no matter what you do or have done will not be finished.
Keep in mind the economy is in the ****ter.

Well Pres. sthld2o?

President Bush's agenda, this New American Foreign Policy is not hidden, per se. Its my feeling that the full repercussions of the policy are lost on the general American public.

Using our invasion of Iraq as blueprint for democratizing the middle east is implicit in the document the White House uses to outline US foreign policy (the name of which document escapes me at the moment but I'll tryto edit in a link when I find it)...

I'm all for forwarding the agenda of democracy throughout the world...but not at the barrel of a gun.

Three highly esteemed, right of center advisors to the President advised against military action right up to the moment the bombs fell in Baghdad. Two of them were wearing at least four stars (how unamerican of them )

My ears would have been canted in that direction instead of in the direction of the Rumsfield's and the Wolfowitz's.

The conspiratorial part I am referencing is where this conversation gets tricky for me. I outlined the gist of it above and I think I'll leave it that, except to say that George Bush is a man driven by his faith in Christianity. Not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself but in the context of military action in the Middle East this sounds like a very, very bad combination for peace in today's post 9/11 world.

Thanks for not going off the handle on me there, herm. I knew you had important stuff to add to this conversation...

Bush Doctrine is probably what you're talking about....

Here it is.....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html

Got that Frontline link in your favorites do you CWUgirl?

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Just have a lot of researching links.. that's all!

Al-Jazeera is also the station that broadcasted the information from bagdad bob about "there are no US troops in bagdad we slottered them at the gate" just thought I would point out the fact dont place too much trust in there reporting practices.....

Here's what I think should be done in Syria..Ive been to the gulf a few times and faught in the first gulf war....

1. keep the pressure on for a while even mass the troops would help

2. take all the info we have on syria's WMD's and all the names of the of the war criminals they are hiding to the ARAB league and explane to them that they need to do the clean up or we well...also point out that if the war criminals keep moving into lybia they well be next....just make the stand that OUR war on terrorism is wide reaching and we ar not worried about anyone's point of view

why do we need info on syria's WMD? they are allowed to have them legally just as wee are allowed to have them legally. 2 out of the 3 largest terrorist acts commited against americans were commited by americans. the anthrax that was sent to democrats and media only came from our own military bio-wepons labs. timothy Mcveigh learned to do his evil deeds in the US military. that is not conspiracy theory. that is just fact. we need WMD out of umatilla more than we need WMD out of syria. umatilla is alot closer to everyone on this board than syria? why dont we lead by example and get rid of our own (we have more chem and bio WMD than the whole rest of the world combined) can anyone come up with one good reason to have these at all? it isnt like our military sucks and has no technology! between the (LIBERAL) 2nd ammendment to the constitution that gives us the right to privately bare arms.... and the $400 billion defense budget.... who in the world is going to invade us? i would feel just as safe without those WMD stockpiled along the colombia river... in fact i might even feel safer!

i guess its the " if you dont like the world... start with changing the man you see in the mirror" approach

I know I have already said way to much on this post, however....

sthldh2o,
You asked me a direct question and I respectfully attempted to give you a direct and honest answer. I lack communication skills but I attempted to relay to you my position on this issue and also my feelings and opinions on the Iraqi war. Also expressed what I thought might have been a better solution. It might not be but, I at least offered a differant approach.
I asked you a direct question;
What would you have the man do?
Not what he shouldn"t do, that is low holing! IMHO.
We as Americans have a very serious problem, (way more than I can list) but lets just stick to the terriorist problem.
The Pres. made a decision to remove saddam. Maybe it was wrong. He made a decision, he acted, he got results, maybe good, maybe bad, he did something rather then wait for the smoking gun. The easy part is to criticize. The constructive part is to offer a better solution. Let's hear yours! I've already heard what's wrong with the things he is doing. I want to hear what sthlhdh2o would do to make things better, not what he wouldn't do.


herm

You asked several questions in your post, herm. In your hypothetical I am the President. Were that the case we would not have gone to war the way and time we did, potentially changing the entire political landscape under which an eventual war with Iraq would have been fought, if necessary.

It is precisely because I would not have made the same decision as the President in the first place that I chose to answer your question as I did.

The President is following his doctrine in the Middle East. If I was the President and I wrote a doctrine I would probably follow it as closely to the letter as possible....that said, my 'doctrine' would look a lot different if I were President so I would be acting with an entirely different set of priorities.

That's about as far I'll go with your 'if I was the Pres' question....no one denies that it is likely the most difficult job on the planet. Just because the job is tough though, does not insulate the President from criticsm. Nor does it make those that would criticise 'anti-american'.

On lighter note...if you think Bill Clinton was excellent fodder for the press you can only imagine how 'ol h2o's presidency would go down in history.......

The Death Metal president

I'd wear my Cannibal Corpse t-shirt to all diplomatic functions...

Instead of retreating to Camp David for some R & R I would hit the road with my band for some R & R...

You think Bubba had groupie sex in the White House....you ain't seen nothin' yet....

I would do my Keith Richards impression for all interviews and press conferences ...

The New drug Czar?
Ozzy...Ozzzy...Ozzy...Ozzy...Ozzy.

During the State of the Union Address when everyone started to cheer... instead of waiting patiently for the applause to die down I'd work the crowd...left side....right said...left side...right side....everyone now 'Scream for me Disrict of Columbia!!!!!!!

Good call...

I hope you've also noticed that you have not seen one such comment from me since the time the first shots in the war were fired.

I said I thought I was doing a pretty good job at keeping my comments within the scope of reason...not that I have a perfect track record of doing so.

Just so there is NO misunderstanding, I have NEVER refered to anyone on this board as ANTI-AMERICAN!

Your response to the posed inquiries while eloquant and humorous, only restated your former stand that Pres. Bush is wrong..

I have not yet, heard one thing from you, that even gets close to telling me what you would do about the terrorist, homeland security, etc. only thing I hear from you is what the Pres. has done wrong, I,m not convinced t-shirts and heavy-metal bands in the whitehouse is a legitimate answer to the problem. However it might be a start.

FINI
herm