#200404 - 07/08/03 10:05 AM
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#200405 - 07/08/03 01:06 PM
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River Nutrients
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I enjoy a thread like this for a number of reasons. Mostly it's because I consider those that contribute to this board my friends because we share a common interest in fishing. When I read posts by others on other topics it gives me an insight to that individual's personality. Therefore I can better understand where they are coming from when making political posts.
What's happened internationally in the last year, and how it affects us locally, is a significant issue. I can't think of better people to discuss it with than friends. A friend can call me an idiot for having certain political ideals and still be welcomed on my boat any day.
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#200406 - 07/08/03 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by grandpa2: After being away doing what I love most, fishing with friends, and coming back and scanning this thread I can only conclude that it is a stupendous waste of time. For some perverse reason, I clicked on this dumass thread again - I guess to see how the mudslinging was going. Anyway, I'm glad I did. So you see grandpa, minds can be changed. You have come around to my way of thinking regarding participating in these BS topics. It just took a few fish to get you to see the light. ![beer beer](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/beer.gif)
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#200407 - 07/08/03 01:36 PM
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Spawner
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Aw come on, it's no more meaningless than talking about baseball. Ooops, this could start a whole new argument. <img border="0" alt="[wall]" title="" src="graemlins/wall.gif" />
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#200409 - 07/08/03 02:53 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
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So Harley, have you been watching that new show on the Discovery channel called American Chopper. That is one entertaining show. I find my self looking forward to it each week.
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#200410 - 07/08/03 02:58 PM
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Maguana Is that the one where the Dad does nothing and yells at his son the entire show? Good show, the Dad needs to be slapped up side his head for his childish acts. ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/laugh.gif)
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#200412 - 07/08/03 03:15 PM
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River Nutrients
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My co-workers have told me about that show, but I haven't caught it yet. I don't watch much television for some reason.
I've heard about the dad on that show. Really goes balistic over everything, and the kid doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Must be a "youth" thing because my kid does the same thing.
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#200413 - 07/08/03 07:01 PM
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BW Not me, maybe Arnold ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/laugh.gif)
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#200414 - 07/08/03 09:28 PM
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
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Please read the whole thing... mishandled or ignored intelligence Not a smoking gun but pretty close...
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#200415 - 07/09/03 12:05 AM
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Yeah, that's pretty amazing stuff. I read the op-ed piece by Wilson in the NY Times and find it extremely derelict that Bush would include it in his speech.
The other really funny thing is the documents Bush said the British had that supported his claims of Iraq's nukes were both from the US. One was the plagarized thesis from a grad student in California, and the other was the CIA intelligence report.
What this all really means is, there was no threat to the US. We were in no imminent danger. Not from nukes, not from chemicals, not from biological weapons. Iraq posed no threat what-so-ever. The CIA has also stated last Thursday that they concluded there was no link between Iraq and al Queda. And Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield knew it all along.
There was no reason to send our troops to war. The safety of America - our freedom - was never in jeopardy. Saddam was contained, being watched, and posed a threat to no one.
In other words, all those brave soldiers died in vain.
They didn't die for the noble cause of protecting our way of life - our freedom. They didn't die for the security of America. They died because a group of men with ill intent conjured up an image that scared the public into believing them.
And they continue to die because the arrogance of those same men refuse to acknowledge their miscalculations. They grossly underestimated the Iraqi peoples' will to be Arabs, not Americans.
The bottom line is, over 200 Americans and 6000 Iraqi civilians have died because someone lied. That is inexcusable.
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#200419 - 07/09/03 05:44 AM
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*sigh*........ Where do I start? I recall receiving a PM saying "KISS MY A$$ for disagreeing with MC Just to clear the air..... I DID send a PM trying to clear up a misunderstanding and received quite a lecture and discounting of my attempt to apologize...... At THAT point I returned a PM stating that, if that was how my PM trying to smooth out the misunderstanding was going to be accepted then you could "kiss my ass" and "have a good one", if I remember correctly. I will not waste my breath trying to correct a misunderstanding I created, on someone who obviously could care less if I am sorry or not. Search a few of my threads, and anyone will see that I have agreed with and quoted Aunty several times.... Not to mention the times I have stated that she was "right on", etc..... I just have little patience for "debaters" that will accuse me of bigotry, racism, or "intolerance of others who disagree" from someone that can equally give a good verbal flogging (Ramon of WT is a good example..... To ALL I may have PERSONALLY offended, I apologize here and now! I do not mean any personal attack on anyone, just because I strongly disagree with their ideals. Can't we all just get along and go fishing??? MC ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif)
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#200420 - 07/09/03 09:23 AM
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Spawner
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Grandpa tell me something. Did you defend Clinton as much when he was in office? Or do you only defend the right wing.
Personally I am rather hard on both.
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#200421 - 07/09/03 09:59 AM
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Carcass
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You said 'hard on'.... hehehe hehehehehehehe
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