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#208849 - 08/31/03 10:09 PM What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 08/27/03
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Loc: Pacific Northwest
When smoking salmon, what temperature do you want your element to maintain throughout the smoking process?

I am using a little cheif that I found at a garage sale for $2. I test ran a batch of chips and they smoked but I want to put in a thermometer to see if it will maintain such said temperature.

Thanks.
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#208850 - 08/31/03 10:40 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 10/09/02
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Don't worry about it. Your Little Chief will be fine. Temp. is not a big thing.

My dad had a smokehouse that relied on a small wood fire from an outside pit. It often went out and somethmes burned too hot. The fish was delicious. Smoking is more art than science. Enjoy.
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#208851 - 08/31/03 11:45 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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180 degrees is concidered about right. But I agree with Surecatch. As long as it gets done it will taste just fine. beer

Now do we get any of it for the free advice. wink
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#208852 - 09/01/03 12:48 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Speaking of smoked salmon anybody on the east side of Tacoma smell it... wink

Low heat, thumbs let the smoke cook them.

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#208853 - 09/01/03 10:50 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 08/27/03
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Loc: Pacific Northwest
Thanks guys. Salmon is on. My only worry was the fact that I got this smoker at a garage sell for $2. Just wanted a to test the temp before possibly ruining some salmon
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#208854 - 09/01/03 11:39 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Most of the information that I've read, including a couple of extension service bulletins, recommend achieving an internal temperature of 160 degrees for at least one hour to insure killing any possible bacteria or other nasties. Since electric smokers don't achieve temperatures anything like that, the bulletin even recommends putting fish smoked in an electric smoker into a 200 degree oven for an hour after smoking just to be sure.
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#208855 - 09/01/03 11:53 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 07/12/02
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Loc: Issaquah
Just test your fish after 4 or 5 hours, If you don't like what you se, smoke away for another 2 or 3. You are not cooking the fish, so time is on youe side...
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#208856 - 09/01/03 01:03 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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When purchaseing smoked salmon in Astoria, they had either cold smoked or normal smoked. The cold smoked had more of the delicious oils still in the fish. I don't know what the temp was but the cold smoked cost more.The Duck

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#208857 - 09/01/03 01:33 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Parr

Registered: 08/27/03
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Well during smoking it seems to hold about 140 so far. I think without taking the pan in and out filling it up plus removing the pan after smoking will acheive a higher temp. think it will be alright.
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#208858 - 09/01/03 01:40 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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catch it, smoke it , eat it, repeat until you get it right

beer beer
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#208859 - 09/01/03 01:54 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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I grew up with a Norwegian family and my dad was a butcher. His smoked salmon was second to none. We built him a large brick smoker with steel doors. He always taught me to use a meat thermometer to test the internal temperature of the fish. We used a small fire with either alder or apple wood on it for smoke. We also used charcoal fires with moist wood chips. I can tell the fish is done by looking for the white excretions which is the oil coming out on top. The curing process "cooks" the fish and makes it edible if done correctly without using a hot fire. That is how Lox is made with either cold smoke or no smoke at all. The fish is really cured and not cooked. I prefer my fish to be on the raw side of cooked so 140 degrees if ok by me. A Little Chief won't get hot enough. I know some friends who put the box the smoker came in over the smoker while it is smoking to keep the heat in.

There is a big difference in properly handled and smoked fish and fish that is haphazardly done.
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#208860 - 09/01/03 07:03 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Loc: Pacific Northwest
Well looks like the majority of the time it is 120. So do you think it is alright. Has been about 8 hours. Top looks fine but since I went fishing I didn't get to flip it. Bottom is soft and inside still guey.

Might just throw it in the oven since the majority of the process is done.
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#208861 - 09/01/03 09:38 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Loc: Yakima, WA
You can up the temp by putting a few pieces of BBQ charcoal in with the chips. If you use a salt brine this would be safer from a food poisoning viewpoint.

If you "cold smoke" fish it is safer to use a true cure, which cointains sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate. The best and easiest route to do this is by buying Morton's "tender quick". It is nothing more than a salt-sugar- and nitrite/nitrate mix. The added bonus with this is it gives the fish great color, moisture, and is a safer fish to eat with regards to food poisoning.

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#208862 - 09/01/03 10:20 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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When I was using a Little Chief I would finish it in the oven. Just very hard to get the fish really done.

Now I use a Smokey Moutain, it uses charcol, and the temp is very adjustable. I also like how fish and other things come out. Man I started smoking everything with it, turkey's, hams, you name it. I will never go back to a little chief, although they are a good place to start.
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#208863 - 09/01/03 11:10 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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BW: I think that you had a defective Little Chief or are confusing cooked with a smoke flavor with smoking.

I have smoked literally thousands of pounds of salmon in a Big Chief and a Little Chief. I never had a problem getting it done. I understand that my idea of done and yours may vary. I consider it done when the flesh is no longer soft or slimy and when it flakes when broken open.

For many centries the native americans dried fish with no heat other than the sun and smoked it with almost no heat.

When I was a kid my dad smoked his salmon for seven days. It didn't get burnt becsue it never got over 120 degrees.

My dad usd to rant that fish smoked less than five days was cooked not smoked. Now I find myself sounding like him. I think the primary goal is to make a product you like. If you do you win. Is it smoked or cooked - who cares. Just my .02

BTW: I often barbeque my salmon on a low heat for 30 mins while burning lots of alder chips on the charcoal. I think that's cooking, not smoking. But it has a ncie smoky taste.
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#208864 - 09/02/03 12:26 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 07/02/03
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Loc: Olympia
dude ? mushy fish? this brings us full circle. what kind of fish are you smoking ? how thick are your pieces? how did you salt it? did you let it air dry , perhaps one of the most important steps to good smokin? If that fish was brined in a salt and sugar wet brine you NEED to dry it out or it will bee mushy no matter how long you leave it in the lil chief.

lots of people want it done right now!!! when in fact good smoked salmon is like a good woman, if you take your time and treat her kind she will return the flavor. cool
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#208865 - 09/02/03 12:29 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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I should have save THAT post for #69 :p
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#208866 - 09/02/03 11:28 AM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Parr

Registered: 08/27/03
Posts: 40
Loc: Pacific Northwest
I used a dry brine and let it sit for about 13 hours. Then rinsed it off, dried it and put back in fridge for 2 hours. Then sat in front of a fan for about 30min. Smoked three pans of chips then cooked for 5 extra hours (8hours total). Then one hour in the oven at 200.

It wasn't "MUSHY" but really soft. Not done as in cooked that's for sure but did break apart.

Personally it is too sweet.

Bear with me I am really new at this smoking and I also as mentioned above bought this little cheif at a garage sell for $2. I soon plan to upgrade but for the time being wanted this to work while my experimenting stage wore off.

Thanks for all the replies.
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#208867 - 09/02/03 12:05 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Loc: Olympia
Once I was forced into buying some fish around Christmas , and made to smoke em up. The meat was soft no matter what I did to it, I think that it was pond raised though. mad
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#208868 - 09/02/03 12:20 PM Re: What temperature to smoke?
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Registered: 09/28/01
Posts: 965
Loc: Seattle, Washington
GT,
I have a Little Chief and I used my dad's when I was growing. I recall his ran colder than mine, but still worked fine. We have always left the smoker in the cardboard box it came in, assuming it would run a little hotter. In cold weather this is more important (plus you may need to smoke it a little longer.

Generally I smoke my fish (1.5"-2" pieces) for 5 hours. I've found the 50/50 salt sugar brine to be too salty so currently use a 25/75 salt to sugar ratio.

Edit: One last thing - I believe you can buy a replacement element for your smoker if you think its necessary. I would probably get/make a cardboard box for it first though.

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