cfm,
there has been no personal attacks unless you are just to sensitive, and just about or almost everyone has disagreed with you or some pat of, so why do you want to subject yourself to this?


cfm just let it go

Cfm,
Boy you sure got some peoples pantys in a bunch this time
But they just need to stop and get over it.
Its really funny that these "teachers" dont know the meaning of public information.
But there are always those people that will shoot the messenger arnt there. They are acting like you made that web page or something.
If they have a complaint it should be to the state not you!!!

duroboat keeps casting.... but one will bite.

Jeff Dodd

You guys got to let up on me…your all just to damn funny!

Like none of you guys ever "pick up" on a couple of my lines…. Too funny again!!

How's this for a point to end this thread; we the people who pay your salaries have a legal and moral (moral-that's really a good one that you guys used against me) right see exactly what we are paying each and every one of you. Likewise, if you were our employer and you paid us (the public) our salaries, you would also have the same exact rights. What is so darn hard for you guys to understand about that?

The person who's paying the bills has a right to see what and who they are paying for. It's really not complicated for most people to understand I guess what really burns many state workers butts is the "fact" that we are their employer, and we also have our rights too! Same old boss emplyee battle that's been going on since time begin.

OK, I can't help myself, I just got to pull one more line from your last post

You said; "See you on the next post, if it's fishing related that is."

Does that mean catching fish only? Does that exclude anything to do with fish management or why we never seem to have enough funds to enforce our rules or run our hatcheries more efficiently? You may not thing so, but everything is interrelated and the more the public knows, the better the chances are for change, and yes that even includes the salaries that the public is paying to each and every one of its employees

Elkrun

You got to get a hold of yourself and think about what you are saying! Being a teacher, I am surprised that you can't recognize the difference between debating an issued and being as you say "pissed off".

You said;

"cfm chose to post this, yet in typical manner got pissed off when he was immediately challenged. Like I stated earlier, Its ok to have an opinion as long as it matches his... I really dont think he thought this thing all the way through. I believe the intent was to draw attention to wdfw spending. But once the $hit hit the fan, I would have had some respect for him if he simply said "man, I didn't think about that..." but he didn't, he started name-calling and ripping people. I wasn't after anything other than to get him to see a different perspective. Go back and decide for yourself who turned it into this.... But thats sort of his gig now isn't it."

Let's go through your statement and see where the truth really lies. You got to remember that you are not talking to your students on this board. We are for the most part all adults. So most of us have mature minds (even if you don't like what you hear) so your debates or your opinions are going to be much harder for you to convince us compared to a much young undeveloped mind. WE been around the block one or two times already and formed our own opinions on many issues. That's probably the biggest difference between what "you" perceive to be right or wrong with this post.

You kind of surprised me when you said;" But once the $hit hit the fan, I would have had some respect for him if he simply said "man, I didn't think about that..." but he didn't, he started name-calling and ripping people."

Elkrun, my advice to you when I said repeat after me "I will not be paranoid" Is not name calling, it was just good sound advice! What better word could I have used? The definition was perfect; Paranoid: characterized by oversuspiciousness, grandiose delusions or delusions of prosecution. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, why not call it a duck? No elkrun, I am not calling you a duck now


Who was that guy who just posted this;" "Go back and decide for yourself who turned it into this.... But thats sort of his gig now isn't it.

To each his own I guess, but I'm done pissing in the wind here."

Well elkrun, there must have been just a few more drips left, or the "win" has shifted directions again!!

Did anyone ever teach you not to kick a sleeping watch dog? All you do is wake him up and you just get bitten all over again.


Cowlitzfisherman

cfm,

You said you make 15 g's? So are you worried the state is wasting your 46 bucks?

KIDDING

CFM-

I find it unbelievably galling that you you would question Surecatch's 'credibility' when you pull BS stunts like this...

...and Dan...

...that's some funny shyte...

...but the way I figure it CFM should actually be getting money back from the gubment, so really, its OUR money he is worrying about being misappropriated.

Thanks for your concern CFM.....

If he is getting money back where is the website that says how much?

concerned citizens want to know....

Thanks Piper, that's a great idea!

If those guys would just cough up a tiny bit of each of their salaries each month, I would go "public" and show you all my wages! …but you better not blink!

But first, I want all paid holidays, and my heath insurances paid for…and oh, yes I need my cost of living increase too!

Cowlitzfisherman

Next year you get $15,003.

Let it be said!!!

That Dan is a very understanding and very companionate man!

I knew I could count on you Danny boy...but only for 3 cents? You got to dig DEEEEEEEEEEEEEper dan to buy me off!

You always give me at least 2 cents worth ...and that's when I don't even ask you for it!


Cowlitzfisherman

I'm just lookin' out for ya, cowfish. We don't want anybody's eyebrows being raised by your COLA. Heck, next thing you'll be asking for is Federal Holidays off.

Man, some guys just want it all !

cfm-

Your bark has absolutely no bite. Sorry to break the news to ya . Most of the kids I see daily do a much better job of debating too. I hate to burst yer bubble, but most of your "debate" is retyping what someone else has said, (which is usually the most intelligent part of what you have to say... ) and then it gets unclear what your point is. Stick to the quotes and stop there, you'll be better off. Sorry... I'm a tell it like it is sort of guy too.

Here let me start your response "you said....

Wow, some pretty harsh words in the last 4 pages. I can understand anyone getting upset if thier personal financial records are publicized. So if you took the job, knowing that's the deal, it didnt bother you enough to not take it. Anything after that is sour grapes. If you dont like it, do the work to change it. I'll bet there's not a person in here that would disagree that there's a better way to make the information public. How about altering the name to an employee number instead of a name. Or a title? How tough can it be. You have very good reasons to not want your personal info public.The site is a resource. If your not willing to do the work to change it, you have no right to *****!

And dont kill the messenger. CFM did not make the info public, he posted a link. It's his right to do so! Yet some of you lashed out at him. For 4 pages! Attack after attack! Pitiful!

CFM, I dont know why you waste your time and patience responding to several of these posters, they are not worthy of your effort. I would have told them where to go, about half way through page one!

None of the teachers I talked with today were ever informed of this.... They were pretty upset to hear about it though. This isn't something they generally bring up in an interview... "oh by the way, sign here and we'll be taking away any right to privacy you have... " They didn't mention it in college, or student teaching, or anywhere. I'm in my 14th year and this is the first I've heard of it.

Also, generally a messenger just delivers the message. He's done a tad more than that dont ya think?

AND AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE ITS LEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

PS: I'll be looking into what I can do about this, but I've only known about it for 2 days. Thats a little quick to expect results. I think just listing the teachers by name and salary excluding the district they work in would be a good start. Ideally I was thinking that just listing a total amount a district spends on personnel would be fair. I've always found that its best to have an idea on what your after before you begin. Besides, cfm and I are in a good old pi$$ing contest and I drank a lot of water today

AND AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE YOU DIFFER IN OPINION, YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSULT SOMEONE. TRY BEING MORE CONSTRUCTIVE WITH YOUR COMMENTS!

Plenty of constructive comments in the posts I've made since the beginning. Some pi$$ing but a lot of points too. Dont worry about cfm, he's having a good time with this, ask him. This isn't the first heated debate for either of us on this board. I dont think either has stepped out of bounds. We've jabbed a little but no KO punches thrown here. If we do Jerry or Bob will let us know.... and their watching.

Besides I'm done with this one. Its sort of run its course. Back to the fishing threads.

I see you're new here, just wait until april and may when theres nothing to fish for, then it gets real interesting!

Elkrun

Maybe you need to reread what I had told BW about how and why our laws are the way that they are. Without putting you down, or pi$$ing you off further, please read Title 40, 41, and especially Title 42 of the revised codes of Washington State Laws. If you would just take the time to read ALL of them through completely, I believe that you just may begin to understand WHY public servants records (within the listed exemptions and limitations) are so necessary to be open and public. I am sure you will still not agree on the law on this issue, but I believe you will understand WHY there is a need to make this information public. It's really the "big picture" that one will develop after reading and understanding these laws. Please spend a few hours of reading and then tell me if you still think that public servants shouldn't have open accountability to the people who pay them their salaries.

At the very least you will understand why I have such a strong point of view or opinion about this issue. Who knows, it may even become an assignment for your students once you do the research.

No more pi$$ing matches between us, lets just talk about the merits of the law after you have had an opportunity to fully comprehend why we have the right to review each and every state workers wages. There are definite reasons for the need, as you will see!



Cowlitzfisherman

cfm-

I would love to but september is the wrong time. I honestly dont have a spare moment. Even while I type this I'm correcting 180 math papers, and still have to read my scouting report on Mount Tahoma for friday night, And I NEED to fish this weekend or someone gets hurt!.... I'll take your word that its important at some level. I just dont think I'm quite important enough to be included. I know technically we are paid for by the state, but in reality we work for the local districts. Shouldn't they (the districts) be accountable to list their total personnel expenses instead? Simply list the numbers of teachers at each level of the pay scale.. I have a lawyer friend who I'll talk to about this, and give him the code #'s to read. He can give me the readers digest version. I'll get back to you then.

He got you there CFM...... Thats some funny stuff!

CFM I'm with ya on this one! Its my money that pays for these employees.. I feel I should know where the monsy is being spent..


All of you that think people shouldnt know tell me this
If you had or have a bussiness would you want your accountant to not tell you how much your employees are making? Or spend your money yet not tell you where and how?