#210211 - 09/12/03 03:26 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Spawner
Registered: 10/15/01
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Loc: Enumclaw
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Originally posted by Pmartin: Thank you for your input and calling question to ones intellect. Isn't everyone on this board a genius??? You apparently are. I am just a low down scumbag and my thoughts should not be heard right? Or is it that unless someone meets your specifications that they qualify in this debate?
No no no... It's just that youre REPUBLICAN.... Pmartin, take to my new approach here... Don't argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! No implications intended... Curtis
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#210212 - 09/12/03 03:35 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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CAUTION - grandpa and Pmartin; the following contains fact. You may not want to read. Timber - you don't have to be CIA, you only need to read. There is so much information coming out disspelling what we were told six months ago it's hard to keep up with sometimes. Just read. Originally posted by DUROBOAT15: GWB will get my vote again he is a man with guts and guts is what we need.
I'll agree we need a man with courage, but that surely isn't Bush. We need someone with the courage to do the right thing. Make sound decisions based on the welfare of our nation. Not take the most powerful nation in the world and attack the weakest nation in the Middle East simply to make a point. If Bush had real courage (moral along with integrity) he'd stand before the American people and admit he made a mistake. He'd go to the UN and work out a deal even if that meant relinquishing military command. He'd quit cowing to Israel and Saudi Arabia. Courage is not what Bush has; it's pride. Pompous, self-serving pride. And that selfish pride is killing America. Thus far we've spent nearly 200 Billion dollars in Iraq with nothing but flag-draped coffins and increasingly global anti-American sentiments to show for it. Imagine how far that 200 Billion would have gone towards increasing security along our borders, putting people back to work, or saving our declining salmon runs. We should have completely finished Afganistan (which we have proof were behind 9/ll, along with Saudi) before we even thought about Iraq.
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#210214 - 09/12/03 05:08 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
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Name a weaker one? Are they surrounded and contained by military might? Is the world imposing a no fly zone on them? Which country is weaker than what Iraq was at the time we invaded?
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#210215 - 09/12/03 05:21 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Iraqs military was a shell of what it was at the start of desert sheld. It never was rebuilt ofter desert storm. Nobody could or would sell him weapons .
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#210216 - 09/12/03 05:47 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Spawner
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One thing after reading this thread has me wondering. How many of the anti-war, anti-bush, anti-America preachers here would be singing the same tune. If those four planes had hit here locally,If they had friends and loved ones die, If they had seen the smoke for months, And had to smell the burning buildings and burning flesh of the people they loved for months? Im almost willing to bet that some may be singing a little differant tune. There was a day in this country that some of what has been said here would have been concidered what a traditor to the country would say. Or the words of a coward at a time of war. Buy the way all four of those planes had parts that I built on them and I hate the fact they were used to kill Americans.
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#210218 - 09/12/03 06:14 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
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It disgusts me that people find disagreeing with american foreign policy, better yet expressing that disgreement as somehow anti-american. There is NOTHING more american than excersising your rights, especially your right to dissent ....what IS anti-american and an INSULT to every man, woman and yes, child that has laid down their life for this country, is suggesting otherwise.
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#210219 - 09/12/03 06:27 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
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Originally posted by DUROBOAT15: One thing after reading this thread has me wondering. How many of the anti-war, anti-bush, anti-America preachers here would be singing the same tune. If those four planes had hit here locally
There was a day in this country that some of what has been said here would have been concidered what a traditor to the country would say. Please do not think that my concerns over the misrepresentations by the Bush admin. Somehow make me unamerican. I think that what Osama did was unspeakable and I am all for an all out effort to find him and his filthy terrorists. We should kill every last damn one of them. So why are we screwing around in Iraq, where there is not one shred of evidence of any link between Saddam and Bin Ladan? Now we are in Iraq, we must stay and help rebuild what we destroyed. Apparently we must do so alone as our leader has aleinated many of out traditional allies. Tony Blair is currently fighting for his political life becasue he swallowed G.W. bull sh**. Nothing is more Amercian than expressing our freedom of speech. Yes, there was a day. . . it was the time of McCarthy. God I hope we never go back there. I can't remember the exact words, but none other than Teddy Roosevelt said we should never quit questioning the acts of our president. Was he a traitor too?
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#210220 - 09/12/03 06:27 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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I always find it interesting that some folks don't realize just how close they ARE to being traitors. Many places in this world, including Iraq, they could be imprisoned or shot for some of the remarks they make here. And? That's why we're us, and they aren't. Sounds like some are in a big ol' hurry to be just like Iraq, China, etc. Why would you want to be anything like those countries? Free speech doesn't protect the speech you like, it protects the speech you hate.
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#210223 - 09/12/03 06:46 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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Originally posted by DUROBOAT15: How many of the anti-war, anti-bush, anti-America preachers here would be singing the same tune. If those four planes had hit here locally... <snip> There was a day in this country that some of what has been said here would have been concidered what a traditor to the country would say. Or the words of a coward at a time of war.
Predictable that the anti-this and anti-that whining would start. If those planes had hit here, locally, I'd probably be even more vocal about the folly of being in Iraq. Iraq and 9/11 have absolutely nothing in common. Why can't you neocons see that? It's well documented by no less than three government agencies. The very same agencies you pay such high homage to! The main issue with those opposing the Iraq war is that we're wasting valuable resources in the wrong place. We should still be concentrating our efforts in Afganistan and getting tough with Saudi. Additionally, since the inception of the Bill of Rights, it has NEVER been considered traitorous to question the decisions and agenda of the administrating government, especially in a time of war. A coward is more likely to keep their mouth shut and let the government do whatever they feel like without question.
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#210225 - 09/12/03 07:17 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
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Loc: West Duvall
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AuntyM:
We are in total agreement on the Patriot Act. How like politicians to mask the stealing our liberty with a fine sounding name like the Patriot Act.
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#210226 - 09/14/03 07:27 AM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/12/01
Posts: 2453
Loc: Area 51
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Six Months ago I debated this subject to the best of my ability and now I can hold my head up and say, "I told you so." Remember any of the concerns debated at that time? How about U N inclusion-exclusion regarding Irag War? Or WMD and delivery system? Link between Ben Laden and Saddam? Isreali, Palistinian uneven handedness? Anyone remember the song "Bomb Irag"? It can be found in the archives in the Irag discussion threads. I think that song sums it up for me. I was hesitant about posting on this thread because of the name calling and attacks that some resort to when they can't offer up real facts as GoHarley pointed out so well. "duh", hello! Anybody home? Now I will expect a flaming from the Usual Suspects. You know who I am talking about.
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#210228 - 09/15/03 07:36 PM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
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Here's a little irony for you: Powell visited a memorial for an estimated 5,000 people killed by the evil dictator of a country that we've killed an estimated 8,000 civilians in our pursuit to liberate that country from the evil dictator.
Hmmmmmm.....
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#210231 - 09/16/03 09:38 AM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Spawner
Registered: 09/24/01
Posts: 769
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BBVD, Here is the link that I believe that Goh gets all his info from... GoHarleys fact page Looks like it pretty much fits?
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#210232 - 09/16/03 11:02 AM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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Originally posted by Big Bad Voodoo Daddy: goharley, not that I doubt you, but could you link me to your source on that number??
Certainly sounds like an interesting story.
Curtis Here's a two of many: Iraq Body Count Powell Visit Pmartin - Your input is a typical neocon response to something beyond your comprehension. However, thank you for clarifying your status of relevence to this and any thread to which you contribute. Your self-exhibited intellect of a buffoon has convinced me that you have neither the sincerity nor maturity to be taken seriously.
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#210233 - 09/16/03 11:17 AM
Re: NFR Do you know how much $87 Billion is?
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Spawner
Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 570
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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This is when you know a thread's gone waaaay beyond any useful discussion. People forget what they've said, and then step in their own **** trying to be cute.
Here's a classic:
"Thank you for your input and calling question to ones intellect. Isn't everyone on this board a genius??? You apparently are. I am just a low down scumbag and my thoughts should not be heard right? Or is it that unless someone meets your specifications that they qualify in this debate?
Practice what you preach!! You may be old but definitely not wise!"
Then he responds to a comment that he doesn't like, but doesn't have an argument to, with a link to a page with this header:
"Welcome to the
Stupid People Pages!!!"
because he doesn't actually have anything to intelligent to say. Nice. You get all pissy and defensive when someone questions your intelligence, then you do the same thing to someone else, but with twice the malice and the subtlety of a 4x4 in the forehead.
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