Good post AuntyM,
I think alot of people only see a snapshot of what they think is happening but dont take the time to look at the whole picture. And I will admit that I was one of them for a long time.All I thought about was the Indians taking all the fish. Not thinking about the fact that they are pretty much picking up there share of fish after everyone else had had a chance at those fish.And really not even thinking about what they do to inhance the fishery.

Ron, did you ever think that he told you that to watch your white butt get worked up and go ranting and raving to anyone that would listen??

AM,
Good point, none of this is doing any good. 10 years ago I had a real problem with the Indians netting. There's been 2 things that have changed in the last 10 years. I'm not as narrow minded now and can look at the big picture and thanks to gambling money the tribes are putting more into the resource now than the state is.

And people think they don't have a right to that resource?? Look at how many salmon are coming back to rivers now that the Indians net compared to what it was 10 years ago. If people would pull their heads out and buddy up with the tribes big things could happen around here.

Sure tribes enhance fisheries. They have to in order to maintain some kind of fishery for themselves. Otherwise, all the fish would have been gone long ago.

How ironic that a pink salmon hatchery in AK is operated by a non-profit. No ****, Sherlock!

Any real downside to this, aside from the effect of those pinks consuming resources that other species could have used?

Aunty,

Nice posts. Thank you.

Where should J.Q. Public get his salmon? We've got anti-farmed salmon, anti-Indian netted salmon, and anti-non-treaty commercial salmon (presumably all gear types - gillnet, purse seine, and troll) on this BB. But not everyone who wants to eat salmon fishes for them. At the present time, I'd rather buy a salmon from a treaty fishery than a white commercial net fishery, if I could get the kind of fish I wanted. I avoid farmed salmon mainly because of the chemical use in the form of medication and artificial coloring.

With regard to the original post and the Muckleshoot advertising venture, I admire their initiative, but I think it will take a marketing miracle to succeed. The Cooper River salmon label works partly because of marketing and remains successful because it really is a very high quality product. The Muckleshoot label is being applied to terminal area harvested salmon that are fairly close to their spawnig time, and the quality just isn't there. Don't get me wrong, I eat plenty of river caught coho and some chinook - and an occasional pink - but they just aren't premium quality salmon. And there isn't much to differentiate them from all the other terminal area salmon being harvested. That is, even though they may do the right things in the form of bleeding the fish and promptly storing it on ice, it will still only be of average or good quality, and well below excellent or outstanding quality. Nonetheless, I hope it works for them, if for no other reason that salmon ought to go to market in the best possible condition that it can instead of the handling that typifies terminal area treaty Indian fisheries.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

When people say the "tribe" does this and the "tribe" does that, what they really should say is that the federal government does these things using federal tax dollar subsidies to the Indians.

The casinos generate some internal revenues but even that is a net drain on the economy as no product comes out of a casino.

no product come out of the casino??
hhmmm, what about the added jobs?? how about the small business's that pop up around them? The construction jobs to build the casinos and the strip malls that pop up near them?
hhmmmm......................what about the jobs that built all of the new modular homes that alot of the Muckleshoots got with the help of casino dollars??
what about the construction jobs of running city sewer way outside of Auburn to hook all those modular homes up to?

Have you heard about the casino in the works for the Puyallups?? On a scale larger than most of the ones in Vegas. And this in one of the worst spots in Tacoma. Think this won't boost property values in the surrounding neighborhood??

Saying the feds are suddenly pouring all this money to the tribes is ludicrous!! Why would they suddenly start now?? They haven't. It's the tribes wisely re-investing their money.

Sinker,Nop dude was just bragin and if I had enough indian in me I still wouldn't net.Like Carl said " maintain for themselves", hope it will last.

I guess casinos do have a product, that being entertainment.

I can see where this is going and how publicizing fish that are caught in an urban area can really get alot of feathers ruffled. I live near the Green, fished it for nearly 35 years and seen many changes, but to commercially market fish out of it means I won't be able to at least enjoy the silver sport fishery that I have had in the past. I'd like to have a compromise to let us sporties at least have a King fishery on the green or have the muckleshoot start a hatchery on a river not too high in the publics eye to commercially market the fish. Strange that they claim that thay've had the boat dock for how many years that now they want to market the fish to stores. What were they doing with the fish they were catching in the past decades?

Robert

I wil have to agree that there are alot of fisheries that are there only because the differrant tribes have spent the money the state doesnt.They also have large amounts locked up into legal battles that in the long run,would benifit us.The skokes and the lisencing of the n.fork damn comes to mind.The george adams hatchery you guys all love is there to meet the treaty agreaments with the skokes,not for your snagging fun.Same with the majority of the chum fisheries here in this state.

Sometimes I have to laugh.People always defend there right to keep the last fish because if I don't the indians will.Or I will stop when the indians do.I think this same hatered is what drives some of these indian families to exersice there rights the way they do.

We came into this beautiful country,set up caneries,just about decimated every run in the great northwest,proceeded cutting all the trees down,damn up all the rivers,but its them f@%* indians that are responsible.

SINKER, the casino's might have brought jobs, but what about all the traffic from the tribes new ampitheater, who's dollars are gonna pay for all the road contruction, king county thats who, i doubt the tribe will foot that bill and as for casino's givin jobs, it takes alot lives too, 7-9% more suicides per capita where casino's are, not to mention more crime, and more people going into debt for gambling addiction... its a sad affair, i hope they build all the houses they want, employ more jobs for the sake of the might dollar...at what cost to peoples integrity???

Great Post ltlCleo

Berkley,
Maybe the Muckleshoots can put a toll booth on that road running thou there reservation to collect money for road inprovments.

Here is a good linc !!
http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/do/may00/may1200a.htm

It is nice that they funded a steelhead effort. Don't see that very often.

You may be shocked at how much they and other tribes do. People just need to do a little research.

Berkeley, I grew up in Enumclaw and still have alot of friends that live up there.
I don't want to hear any whining and sniveling about "all the traffic"!!
How many nights out of the year is that?? Not many. The traffic on that highway is far worse due to all the a-holes that moved to the plateau than it ever will be due to a concert every couple weeks.
The traffic excuse is one of the lamest things I've heard in a long time.

More suicide around casino's?? And this is the Indians fault because??

I'd imagine you could find all kinds of places where there is a 10% jump. hhhmmmm, might be 10% higher in Seattle too....maybe we should bulldoze Seattle to save everyone's lives, then they could all move to the suburbs.

Seriously, I seen a show last week that talked about suicide in the 'burbs and how it was higher. Maybe we should ban people from living in the burbs. Damn, I'd be a criminal. hhhmmmm maybe I should sue the planners that planned this neighborhood and the builder that built it here.

what about the public who wants to buy fresh deer that their tax money helps fund in stores?

What ever happened to Kenawick man?

exactly why we dont need to go down that road again...

same game different players...