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#211611 - 09/22/03 11:23 AM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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Registered: 07/10/00
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Loc: Snohomish, WA USA
Wesly Clark could be a formidable candidate against the Republicans. Who better to question foreign policy than a 4-star general? A candidates strength in foreign policy will likely outweigh domestic related experiences, except for a strategy to decrease our bloated deficit.

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#211612 - 09/22/03 11:43 AM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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Originally posted by jeff'e'd:
A candidates strength in foreign policy will likely outweigh domestic related experiences, except for a strategy to decrease our bloated deficit.
Along with foreign policy, his ability to strengthen the defense of our ports and borders will be an assest.

I agree that the other domestic issues such as the deficit, jobless rate, and sluggish economy will be his liability.
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#211613 - 09/22/03 12:42 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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Hey Grandpa,

You didn't alienate me at all. I get a big kick out of the political sh!t you post. If you take a careful second look, you'll find any truly opinionated political posts from me conspicuously absent from these clusterf*ck threads. I was just helpin' you out with the pundit list. wink
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#211614 - 09/22/03 03:07 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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Posts: 2380
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
As I was listening to Kirby Wilber this morning, getting my daily dose of what is on the conservative mind, he brought up Wesley Clark and bashed him pretty strongly. This probably means I need to pay attention to him as Kirby was denegrating him pretty badly. Sounded like that old Republican might be a tad bit scared.
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#211615 - 09/22/03 06:02 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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#211616 - 09/22/03 08:44 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 1698
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All taken with a grain of salt 4Salt.....my follow up reading list was absurd of course....your list for me was pretty accurate . By the way the Drudge Report has current print journalism from a wide variety of writers from all over the political spectrum...not just those I may agree with and not just Matt Drudge's . We have diverse opinions...not necessarily right and wrong opinions but different.

Eddie ....Kirby is a little too red white and blue for me most of the time...Al Gore is going start up a liberal cable system soon so you will have someone to replace that void Phil Donohue left.
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#211617 - 09/22/03 09:22 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
eddie Offline
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Posts: 2380
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
Grandpa, I actually like listening to Kirby in the morning, the local hosts on KVI are generally pretty good, usually wrong, but pretty good. I do have problems with Sean Hannity. Hell, if a loud mouth and no taste was all it took to get the gig, I should have had it. eek

I'm looking forward to the liberal network. Phil, however, never worked for me. I probably won't listen to the liberal network much, I prefer to listen to folks that I disagree with - they have the ability to teach me something, to maybe convince me where I am wrong. I do believe in the old adage - A mind is like a parachute - it only works when it is open.
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#211618 - 09/22/03 11:00 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
racerdan Offline
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Registered: 10/14/02
Posts: 128
Loc: longview
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A mind is like a parachute - it only works when it is open.
Not if its full of holes! laugh
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#211619 - 09/22/03 11:43 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
Steelheadman Offline
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Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4166
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
I find it ironic that those who bash Clinton's military record will not admit that Bush Jr. doesn't have a good military record either. Besides Bush Jr. is responsible for kiling Chinook salmon and comes here to take credit for improved salmon runs. What a hypocrite! (Fishing related)

Why don't you support Clark if all you are interested in is military service.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/969659.asp
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#211620 - 09/23/03 10:01 AM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
eddie Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 2380
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
Racerdan, a parachute that is closed will not work either, just like a closed mind.
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#211622 - 09/23/03 11:03 AM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
goharley Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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Originally posted by AuntyM:
After 20 years of being around the military, including many Commanding Officers, I happen to know what most of them were good at, and it wouldn't be running a country.
I agree, for the most part, knowing the commanders I've been affiliated with. However, Teddy and Ike did a pretty good job of running things.

By the way, I recently discovered that Clark taught economics during his tenure at West Point.
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#211624 - 09/23/03 12:39 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
h2o Offline
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2449
Loc: Portland
Retired Col. David Hackworth, the source of much Clark ire, including the 'perfumed prince' comment and the accompanied implication that Clark wasn't resilient enough to make tough decisions, has totally reversed himself after meeting the man and doing some research. This quote is magnificent:


"No doubt he's made his share of enemies. He doesn't suffer fools easily and wouldn't have allowed the dilettantes who convinced Dubya to do Iraq to even cut the White House lawn. So he should prepare for a fair amount of dart-throwing from detractors he's ripped into during the past three decades.



Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a "Perfumed Prince." Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong - the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time.



At the interview, Clark came along without the standard platoon of handlers and treated the little folks who poured the coffee and served the bacon and eggs with exactly the same respect and consideration he gave the biggies in the dining room like my colleague Larry King and Bob Tisch, the Regency Hotel's owner. An appealing common touch.



But if he wins the election, don't expect an Andrew Jackson field-soldier type. Clark's an intellectual, and his military career is more like Ike's - that of a staff guy and a brilliant high-level commander. Can he make tough decisions? Bet on it. Just like Ike did during his eight hard but prosperous years as president."
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#211625 - 09/23/03 03:05 PM Re: NFR>>>Now I'm interested...
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