I'm full to the brim with the constant buzz of ill content with our fellow board members. Be forwarned, play nice or

My thoughts exactly

Right on Jerry.....

This board is to good to be cluttered with "ill content"

Run a tight ship with a short line!!!!

I say that political threads be deleated after they are created. My .02 cents....

Jerry, please provide some guidance here. My belief is that all topics are fair game as long as the conversation is civil. Am I correct on this?

Yes, we reap what we sow.

If we could just stick to fishing related topics (like other fishing BB's boards do) we wouldn't have this problem.

Instead, we tolerate (actually encourage) those who post NFR crap.

OK, you got anger, see my post on doing something about gillnetting and direct it at your legislators

Fishing related posts are FAR from free of mud slinging. You can get called an idiot just as fast if your fish "WRONG" as if you vote Republican.

By the way Slab I thought you said posting and responding to NFR topics on the internet BB's is for LOSERS!!!

Check the record...NFR topics almost always extend to triple digit posts...while fishing topics barely get into double digits.

Grandpa,

You are absolutely correct.

As the old Norwegian saying goes:

"When you argue politics on the internet, even if you win, you're still a loser."

As far as NFR #'s exceeding FR #'s, I pointed that out myself and addressed on that NFR thread about some political candidate. It only proves my point.

And Spawnout:

RIGHT-ON
I'm all over it.
Letters are being forwarded!

No mystery why that happens.

How many times can you answer a question about fishing?

Pink's best
No red
no black
no purple
no green
no blue

Dammit you lunkheads, I said purple.

That's just a biased opinion......pink is best.

I got my info from 63 different sources......red is best.


See what I mean? It just doesn't have the same bob and weave, duck and move kinda thing that political threads do.

Thank you.

Hey guy's...

Simple solution...If you don't like all the debating on NFR Topics... Don't click on them to read them.

the above spoken like the true non-fisherman...

u guys are here only to argue, I take it?

Simp quest...

????????

minibear,

once the board becomes mostly nfr, the animosities spill over to fr...

Slab...you have to have more patience and be more open minded like me...Be tolerant and not so confrontational.....just go along and get along...OH I almost forgot...post some interesting fishing related topics so we can give this a shot....

Oh I understand now...


BTW... I just had the best week of salmon fishing in my life.

My favorite river finally came up last weekend and It was unbelievable...First three cast 3 silvers I could of had my limit on my first 2 casts but since the majority of these fish are hatchery we were releasing chrome buck silvers looking for hens. A few were pushing the 20# mark. Lets just say the "locals" were not to friendly when they seen us releasing 15# chrome bucks... Oh well!

SO...

Does this mean we can't bad mouth the seals?

Wow, even the moderator's "had enough" thread starts getting pissy. Sheesh.

IMHO, NO topic needs to get nasty. It's simply a matter of not criticising someone because they don't agree, or because they're not presenting an argument the way you think it should be presented.

There really are only three choices that I can see:

1)Self moderation

2)No hot button topics , which COULD include fishing related topics, like how to snag, how to destroy gill nets in the rivers, etc.

3)Heavy handed moderation

Seems like #1 is preferable, but unachievable give the current climate.

As an alternative, other forums have "off topic" forums. Often, popular topics or current events are posted in dedicated forums. Without the benifit of professionals as moderators, the off topic (usually emotionaly charged) threads deteriorate to misinformation campaigns and worse. Without experts to refute BS, a forum takes on a vigilante flavor. IMO, you can solve lots of problems using the "off topic"process. Let everyone know the off thread is moved and to where.

While I would question wether some of the NFR topics would merit staying on a main board, some would. And I hope that because the topic may be uncomfortable for some, if it's fish related, it should be fair game.


Hairlip.

Since everyone is also divided on whether or not to allow "political" topics on a fishing board, why not have a separate forum for NFR or Political threads?
When you log in, there is NW Fishing, Fins & Feathers, Lakes, etc.... Maybe that would be the place to put it?
I belong to many boards that are not fishing related (PC building/OC'ing, Music, etc) and they have "Free for all" areas where you can do what you want. The only rule is no threats of a violent nature (serious ones)......

Just a thought.......

MC :p

Yeah, I'm for an "open chat" area. Basically say what you want (to a point). Would clean things up a bit.

Dang. I always miss the good stuff.

So it seems that some feel there are no politics in fishing? That who get's elected at city, county, state and federal levels doesn't have an effect on fishing? Or is it you'd just rather not talk about that side of things and fish until there are no more fish? Would we pretend things like the salmon kill ala this administration didn't happen?
I think the political threads are fun mainly because almost all of the other threads and "ideas" I've heard a million times before. This board would be pretty boring if the main response was "do a search" because most general fishing topics have been hashed ad nauseam and are the same debate they were 30 years ago.

If my memory serves me well wasn't this problem supposed to be eliminated when you guys banned driftboater?

Amen Jerry. It's been long in coming.

Shame is one of my favorite characters seems to have two personalities. One in person... and the other cyber-one that's a little less tolerant.

I have long been campaigning for a seperate forum for NFR.

I mean, we segregate river/salt fishing from lake fishing posts, right?

Wouldn't it make sense to get the stuff that has nothing to do with fishing whatsoever off the main board?

I believe we would see a return to civility with a fishing only format.

Thanks Jerry!!



Sorry forgot about the no bannanas rule!!

wow a nfr post *****ing about nfr post's and look at alll the responces.

Jerry.
I understand your point and I will do my best to watch how I reply when im under attack. And the name calling and fighting back and forth should be delt with as you and Bob see fit.
But in my opinion any board member making blatent Racist remarks should be delt with on a first strike your out rule with no exceptions.

1st strike rule Duro???

Then there would only be 10 people left on this board!!

Who would be left to SLAM the LAZY, WELFARE COLLECTING, RESOURCE RAPING INDIANS??

Who would be left to show me the errors of my ways FLOSSING SOCKEYES?

I agree, there are getting to be too many NFR threads. I just don't look at them.

Maybe that's why alot of the old time, regular posters are not on anymore??

Just a thought...

No shirt, no shoes, no cowlizfisherman-- no problem!

Nailknot

I guess I kind of got to you when you failed to put up or shot up! Name one thread that I have broken Bob's rules on. If you think that you can find one in over 1250 posts that don't follow Bob's guide lines, I say again, put up or shut up Which one of my posts got to you; was it when I showed you what my income is and you chickened out on yours, or was it just some other issue that you just lacked the knowledge to address the board on?

Jerry has always watched my threads very closely, and believe me, if I was to brake Bob's rules, he would be jumping all over me. It's really people like you that push people into posting things on this board that really don't need to be on here in the first place. If anyone is pushing the line, your post is right up front. It appears to me that all your trying to do now is to get even for something that was said that you didn't like.

I have been posting about many issues over the last three years, and I can't ever remember starting any thread that was not related to fish or fish management. Unlike a few, I have never called another member any type of names except one member a "turkey" and even then when I found out that he was offended, I apologized for that.

So maybe you are the person who should think twice! Its remarks like yours that starts those stupid pi$$ing matches on this board.

Let's see if Jerry really wants this kind of crap to stop or not! Or maybe it's "OK" for a few privileged members to start personal attacks all over again!


Cowlitzfisherman

G-MAN, it's crap like that that causes a lot of the trouble....unless you're willing to come down hard on the lazy, welfare collecting resource raping whites that you run across, but I see no point in bring up someone's ethicity if you're griping about their questionable morals and environmental perspective.

However, I would like to thank G-Man for changing out his avatar.

Is this why my new topic,"How to fish with teachers without puking"was deleted.

I just figured it out! All these 'so-called fisherman's' wives, getting tired of their husband's attention lost to this board, are logging on and creating the typical banter any reasonable male would find feminanly repulsive. Why? In hopes that their husband would get sick of the gender bickering one would expect from sixteen year old females. Well, on the one hand it diminishes the possibities of this fishing forum, on the other, it makes you realize that most web-fishermen here pose no impact to any fishery other that of cyber-fishery!

Looks like the threat of expulsion really quieted the board down...Kind of like transforming from the Village Voice to Family Circle...

Sorry it is so boring for you Grandpa

G-2 just go fishen and take Jerry too !

boat's in the hospital so fishing has slowed down for a bit....i get to spend more time learning about sawdust and how to take a rod apart....

Hope that's not what they are showen ya at the PSA meetings up there .j/k

SKC-PSA member down here.

www.geocities.com/skcanglers/index.html
Yes that would be me.

Ron H.

I have ALOT of experience with sawdust Grandpa!

Jerry..A guy can never know enough about sawdust....I've swallowed a pound or two over the years myself.

Nice fish Ron

Grandpa,

Regarding PP fishing posts, I personally prefer quality over quantity.

I know you type slow...Now that the board is cleared of all those NFR posts...let's hear something interesting that is FR....

Apparently, Grandpa, you didn't read my literary masterpiece: "The Old Man & the Squid" in the other thread.

Here's a question for you: Is it legal to catch river fish by hand?

I am not sure about immigrants from other countries catching Humpies on the Skykomish by hand..not using a rod and reel. Is that snagging? Or capturing? Good eatin I bet.