Cigar is more or less correct. You SSN is cross-referenced within a computer but your license will never contain that information.

Every state I have bought a license in as of late has asked for my SSN.

cfm
You need some prozac.
Why are you so angry?
Your original post (while paranoid) had a point, but why flame Goose?
Go fish it will help.
ps loved grampas first reply.

You guys are two of a kind! Pretty soon you will even have a deck of cards with your pictures on them.

You got the gonads to tell me that I am paranoid and angry by saying;
Remember what they say about people who live in little glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones at someone else's house?

Was it not "you" that just posted this about me?

Flaming is a two way street, so maybe you ought to look a little deeper and closer into your own self seastrike!

Say what you may about me, but at least I am not a hypocrite! If that shoe fits you, maybe to ought to consider buying a dozen pair or so.

Cowlitzfisherman

I am going to agree with you Cowlitz.

Goose, if this is gumms and jowl why even post about it.

It seems to me (my opinion right or wrong) your still holding a grudge towards Cowlitz for the "What State employees make" thread.

Agree to disagree and stop bring that crap from the other site.

Well CFM, it's open season on you. Looks like the moderators are only sick of dealing with the heat you make for them, not the crap that's been tossed your way.

This SS# crap would NEVER have been allowed in previous generations. NO WAY!!

If you buy the line "Giving up your privacy to make government more efficient", YOU WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!! Just like the whiners who oppose this post.

Personally, I cant wait till election time. While i'll fight for your right to say what you want, remember, there's a cost for doing so. You are accountable for your words, so choose them carefully.

Hairlip.

Divers why would I hold a grudge? I don't and never did. Think about it for a bit.

As to my post...would anyone care to tackle any of my points made other than the "gumms and jowls" one? Oh and my apologies Plunker as I forgot you might read that post. :p

Besides the personal attacks against me, does any one actually know if any WDFW employee who has access to a state controlled computer (i.e. any WDFW staff person) have access from their own computer data systems and bases to review whatever information they may choose to about any person who has ever purchased a new fishing or hunting license?

You work there gooose, so tell us what you know or don't know!

Cowlitzfisherman

I certainly don't have access. Head scratcher for me CFM.

gooose is right about one thing for sure. It is a dead horse.
It might be a crummy law but it isn't going to change anytime soon.
The state assures us thhat these files are strongly protected.

Unless the state requires a ssn to apply for a license it is subject to losing all federal money given as grants for aid and services to needy families with children and for child welfare services.

Simply said - No ssn's collected... No money for welfare.

Here is the appropriately named law: US Code; Title 42; Section 666

United States Code

TITLE 42 - The Public Health and Welfare

Section 666. - Requirement of statutorily prescribed procedures to improve effectiveness of child support enforcement.

...(a) Types of procedures required - In order to satisfy section 654(20)(A) of this title, each State must have in effect laws requiring the use of the following procedures, consistent with this section and with regulations of the Secretary, to increase the effectiveness of the program which the State administers under this part:

...(13) Recording of social security numbers in certain family matters. - Procedures requiring that the social security number of -
(A) any applicant for a professional license, driver's license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license be recorded on the application.


My Note: On the bottom of every Social Security Card it says...
FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

Plunker

We think alike on many legal issues, but here's one that you will need to do your homework on! According to what you have just posted, "driver's licenses" fall under this rule! If my memory serves me right, I recall that California just passed a state law that allowed "illegal aliens" to be able to procure a state drivers license. How can that be possible, if they are illegal and do not have any social security number?

You can bet your last dollar that they will not let go of any federal funding!

What am I missing?

"Section 666" where have I seen those 3 numbers before???????????

Cowlitzfisherman

illegals don't seem to have much trouble getting SSNs either.....free community college tuition...hospitalization...on and on...

Cowlitzfisherman - I'm just too lazy to try to research just how illegal aliens manage to get drivers licenses without ssn's but will venture that some obscure exemption from section 666 allows the use of an "alien tax ID #" or some such thing.

For any conspiracy buffs out there, a search engine result for "title 42" and "section 666" located the following page: MARK OF THE BEAST -- 42 USC Sec. 666

Reccommended Reading - despite the wacky name.

The "roll-overs" always make me cringe......

Funny thing is, 99.9% of people do not realize that there is a Federal law that states it is illegal for ANYONE to require disclosure of SSN.... Banks, employers, Gov't, lenders, etc...... And said law allows for lawsuits if any of the aforementioned force a person to disclose it. They only folks excluded from this law is non-citizens, i.e., people immigrated from other countries that obtain SSN's...
I always ask myself, since they do not play by the rule, why do they not get rid of that rule??? Makes me think that it is a constitutional rule or something and they cant....

Just check into it if you do not believe me.....


MC

Read my other post about this...... How can he mandate a law that blatantly goes against another federal (and much older) law?????

Anyone really interested in the law, I can dig it up again...... IT IS ILLEGAL FOR ANYTHING BUT VOLUNTARY DISCLOSURE OF SSN!!!!

Period.... Of course, try doing anything without disclosing it and see what happens...... You can sue though, but who has the money or the time? I say "Obey the frickin law you created or ammend/repeal it"..... Funny how the Gov't expects us to follow to the rule, but they do not have to!

MC

HA HA HA HA HA!!! And WHERE are the "equal treatment of women" crowd on this one??? Hell, I know 2 buddies of mine that haven't gotten a penny in years and the judge will do NOTHING to them..... Good thing they are not men or they would have to hide or suffer.....

MC

Well, before you continue castigating folks on this board for DISCUSSING an important issue, remember one thing. With discussion comes agreement, coordination, action..... And one or two writing will get nothing but a "I am there for you" form letter...... A letter signed by a large GROUP of people will get there attention..... Again with the "Roll-over" crowd. In-action and compliance get NOTHING done in todays world..... Mass voters squeeling can do wonders....

MC

And this "State" law is in clear violation of a federal law..... You cannot be FORCED to divuldge your SSN to ANYONE!! That is the law. Now, is it going to stop? No.... Because there are too many out there that do not care. I guarantee you, 200 people get their heads together and start one of these class-action suits for being "forced" to disclose it, and I guarantee 2 things.... A HEFTY settlement, and then a change in the federal law..... IF THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULE, THE BAS_TARDS NEED TO CHANGE IT!!!!!



MC

MC

Count me in.

Thats the bottom line.....

WW