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#214949 - 10/14/03 01:10 PM For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
John Lee Hookum Offline
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Registered: 10/12/01
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If you like fishing for Salmon, this administration is not your friend. Check out the following. A vote for Bush is like throwing dynamite in your favorite hole. By supporting his policies on the environment , the long term impact is far greater than what snaggers and poachers are doing. As fishers, we need to look at our choices (politics), as individual who like to fish. When it comes to fishing, I would hate to view the Bush band wagon in the same light as we view (disdain) snaggers and poachers, in some of these threads. laugh Extinction of our wild Salmon is the same if it's done legally or illegally. It's just plan wrong.


October 14, 2003Saving Salmon
Conservationists and business interests are at loggerheads so often these days that it is heartening when they can reach an agreement that produces good outcomes for both — and for the environment as well.

A coalition of environmental groups, an Indian tribe, government agencies and a power company recently announced an agreement that could help save wild Atlantic salmon, which are now on the endangered species list. Two dams on Maine's Penobscot River will be torn down and a third decommissioned, opening up more than 500 miles of river for fish returning to spawn. In exchange, PPL, the power company, will receive cash and the right to increase power generation at other dams that pose less threat to fish migration.

Apart from helping the fish, conservationists also hope that the deal will restore momentum to the idea of removing dams whose environmental damage outweighs their usefulness as generators of electricity. That idea took hold in 1997 when the federal government ordered the destruction of another Maine dam, on the Kennebec River, leading eventually to the removal of more than 100 dams elsewhere. Dam removal was vigorously supported by President Bill Clinton's secretary of the interior, Bruce Babbitt, who actually kept a sledgehammer in his office that he would carry around with him to decommissioning ceremonies.

Though it blessed last week's agreement, the Bush administration has not shown the same enthusiasm for removing dams or, for that matter, saving salmon. In August, hoping to polish up his environmental credentials, Mr. Bush visited Washington State to claim credit for an upsurge in the number of salmon returning to the Lower Snake River. The main reason for salmon recovery in the Pacific Northwest is a cyclical improvement in ocean conditions, not Mr. Bush. Indeed, his administration has fallen short of targets required under a plan inherited from the Clinton administration for improving salmon habitats and water quality. Wild salmon are still well below the levels necessary to ensure their long-term survival, and a judge has ordered the entire rescue plan redone.

Saving the salmon of the Pacific Northwest will require a major political commitment and may yet require the removal of four Snake River dams far larger than any on the Penobscot. But it is enough, for now, to celebrate Maine's encouraging example.

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
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#214950 - 10/14/03 01:36 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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Kudos to the groups tearing down the dams... thumbs

As far as Bush is concerned... His name should not even be mentioned in the artical... The typical spin of the press at work...

The Republicans seldom have a strong an evironmental aganda as do the democrats...

Tell me something I dont already know...

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#214951 - 10/14/03 07:52 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
Dave Vedder Offline
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No doubt about it Bush has been an environmental disaster. From taking us out of the worldwide global warming accord, to opening roadless areas to his logging buddies, to weakening clean air projections, and now allowing open pit mining wastes to be dumped on public lands, he is a complete disaster. The good news is many republican sportsmen are seeing the light. One of my fishing buddies, a lifelong republican, told me last week he cannot vote for Bush again because of his callus disregard for the environment. His never ending drive to play to his big corporate contributors may come back to bite him on election day.
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#214952 - 10/14/03 08:21 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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Bush basically stinks as a president. He only is president to get his family and his buddies rich. And he's only a conservationist in the way conservationists were back in the 1800's with 24 steelhead tacked up on a branch.

Bush stinks. And no one could change my mind on that.
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#214953 - 10/15/03 02:07 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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George Bush is hardly responsible for the decline in our salmon runs nor is he responsible for the upsurge of late. He is responsible for the 9-11 disaster and the bubonic plague, of course.
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#214954 - 10/15/03 02:13 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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George Bush is responsible for anything I want to say he is responsible for!

He is one p!$$ poor excuse for a leader, much less President.

Anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.
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#214955 - 10/15/03 02:19 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
grandpa2 Offline
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OH MY Woolly! What are you going to do when GW gets re-elected? jump up and down and stomp your feet? Come ahead with your specific solutions....
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#214956 - 10/15/03 02:21 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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Forgot one thing....GW didn't get his friends and family rich..They were ALREADY RICH. Does everyone with money pi$$ you off?
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#214957 - 10/15/03 06:51 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
JacobF Offline
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Voted for Bush in 2000 and will vote for him again in '04.

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#214958 - 10/15/03 09:10 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
grandpa2 Offline
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Jacob..stand up for what you believe....way to go...
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#214959 - 10/15/03 01:10 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
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To anyone with the brain power of an oyster it would seem obvious that the Times article quoted is purely propaganda.

Bush never claimed credit for the salmon increase nor did he blame Clinton for the decline.

Now, if we were talking econimics, we could better enjoy another great debate.
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#214960 - 10/15/03 05:56 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
Salmo g. Offline
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Plunker,

I believe GWB did attempt to credit himself and his administration policies with the improved chinook return during his visit to Ice Harbor Dam. Apparently no one had the temerity to inform him that the chinook runsize was entirely unrelated to anything his administration has done. Alas, another opportunity to inform and educate was lost.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#214961 - 10/15/03 06:09 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
grandpa2 Offline
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I thought GW was taking credit to some degree for the great salmon returns this year but I would have to go review the speech to see if he was being general. I think his main point was to support the dams and the power companies and farmers and others who benefit by their continued existence.
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#214962 - 10/15/03 11:47 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
John Lee Hookum Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Salmo g.:
[QB] Plunker,

I believe GWB did attempt to credit himself and his administration policies with the improved chinook return during his visit to Ice Harbor Dam. Apparently no one had the temerity to inform him that the chinook runsize was entirely unrelated to anything his administration has done. Alas, another opportunity to inform and educate was lost.

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Salmo, thanks for correcting his oversite, as we all witnessed it on local TV. With all the hoopla and High 5 ing displayed in the News, you would have to be blind not to see it. Maybe their is hope for Grand Pa, he even witnessed it himself as he emplied. Keep it up Grand Pa we might get you out of the Bushes yet. laugh
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#214963 - 10/15/03 11:55 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
ET Offline
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Registered: 11/21/01
Posts: 387
Loc: Tacoma
I read this article and noticed that the portion about President Bush started with,

"Though it blessed last week's agreement"

So you are slamming Bush for blessing the agreement?

No you are slamming Bush just because that is what you do.....

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#214964 - 10/15/03 11:57 PM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
jimh Offline
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If you want to blame something for the salmon decline, blame netting.
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#214965 - 10/16/03 01:42 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
John Lee Hookum Offline
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Registered: 10/12/01
Posts: 2453
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ET:


No you are slamming Bush just because that is what you do.....

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ET, I didn't write the article, it was the New York Times. I think that following blindly, that is what you do. Get your head out of the ground and smell the coffee. Guess I forgot, that's what good little sheep do all the way to slaughter. We need to hold Public officials accountable no matter which party is screwing up. And O-boy, has this administration screwed up, big time.

By the way, I am an Independant that votes in both the Democratic and Republican Cacusess. I try to keep both party's on their toes. thumbs
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#214966 - 10/16/03 02:56 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
Rory Bellows Offline
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I'm with Jacob F in that as a sportsman I also voted for Bush in 2000. He has restored honor and integrity to the White House at a very difficult time in our Nations history and I look forward to voting him back into office next year. I would encourage all you other sportmen and women who love God, your Country and your 2nd amendment rights to do the same.

Keep in mind that G.W. Bush loves to fish--and anybody that loves to fish can't be all bad.
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#214967 - 10/16/03 03:41 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
Stew Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by SCOWAK:
I'm with Jacob F in that as a sportsman I also voted for Bush in 2000. He has restored honor and integrity to the White House at a very difficult time in our Nations history and I look forward to voting him back into office next year. I would encourage all you other sportmen and women who love God, your Country and your 2nd amendment rights to do the same.

Keep in mind that G.W. Bush loves to fish--and anybody that loves to fish can't be all bad.
My God I think I'm going to puke. Anyone who enjoys the natural resources we all love would want this guy out!!!
...oops Bill Clinton made me say that eek
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#214968 - 10/16/03 03:44 AM Re: For Pro Bush Anglers of Salmon to digest
ET Offline
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Registered: 11/21/01
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Loc: Tacoma
JLH - You read an article and yet don't. Who is blind? Please go back to elementary school and tell me what the subject of this article was.

It must be tough walking around with Bush on the brain all the time.

Oh my god the sky is falling.. and it is all Bush's fault!

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