Go read two books by Tom Clancy. "Sum of All Fears," which is about how some Palistenian (sp) group that blows up a nuke during a Super Bowl in Denver, there is also a movie for the book but is a little different with locations. The other book is: "Executive Orders" which is about a lot of things but one is a biological attack by terrorists in every major city in America using the Ebola Virus. The scarriest thing about it is the fact that it could really happen and Clancy put's that in perspective.

Seems there are some heads buried in that sand.
Support your troops by voting Bush out.

Also, the last I checked, Tom Clancy was in the fiction section. "War of the worlds"...now there's a threat. It could really happen I suppose. Wish we had the technology to blow up all the other planets.

So you all told and tell your wives and girl friends 100% of the truth of your expiriences with other women etc. when dating to allow them to make the best decision possible about you going forward because it's better for them to hear it all and make thier own judgements? Or do you tell them what is appropriate to get to the next level. You certainly would not be advocating a double standard in your life would you.


Open the Kimono on the first date and see how far you get.

we do got that technology stlhead, On the 26th of March 1964 this H-bomb test, Castle Romeo, was one of the biggest ever.

The first H-bomb ever 'Mike' was exploded at 7.15 am local time on November 1st 1952. The mushroom cloud was 8 miles across and 27 miles high. The canopy was 100 miles wide. Radioactive mud fell out of the sky followed by heavy rain. 80 million tons of earth was vaporised. Mike was the first ever megaton yeild explosion.

Castle Bravo was a lithium-deuteride fuelled H-bomb exploded 1st March 1954 at Bikini Atoll. It yielded 15 megatons and had a fireball 4 miles in diameter. It was much bigger than the test crews had been expecting. It engulfed its 7,500 foot diagnostic pipe array all the way out to the earth-banked instrument bunker, which barely survived. Test crews were trapped in experiment bunkers well outside the expected limits of its effects. It menaced task force ships, one of which held Marshall Rosenbluth, a U.S. theoretical physicist, "I was on a ship that was thirty miles away, and we had this horrible white stuff raining down on us. I got 10 rads [100 chest x-rays] of radiation from it. It was pretty frightening. There was a huge fireball with these turbulent rolls going in and out. The thing was glowing. It looked to me like a diseased brain up in the sky. It spread until the edge of it looked as if it was almost directly overhead. It was a much more awesome sight than a puny little atomic bomb. It was a pretty sobering and shattering experience." Bravo vaporised a crater 250' deep and 6,500' in diameter out of the atoll rock. The 'horrible white stuff' was calcium precipitated from vaporised coral.

The Soviets put together H-bombs with a yield of 100 megatons but the design was never tested at full strength.

Fifty years on, the Uranium fission bombs dropped on Japan look relatively puny. The Hiroshima bomb was rated at fifteen kilotons or fifteen thousand tons of TNT. It didn’t take long to discover that, with Plutonium, you could set off a thermonuclear reaction - just like the Sun. There is no limit to the size of these Hydrogen (fusion) bombs but fifteen Megaton bombs (a thousand times more destructive than Hiroshima) were tested in the Pacific in the sixties. The Russians had a design for a 100 megaton Hydrogen bomb but apparently never tested it. Only enriched uranium is fissile enough to make a uranium bomb. Hydrick explained that, at $100,000 per ounce in 1945 dollars, the enriched uranium was well worth the investment in gold to protect it.
XX-39 CLIMAX, part of Operation Upshot/Knothole, was a 61 kiloton device fired June 4, 1953 at the Nevada Test Site.

anyways, theres the technology to blow up planets...

The sides on this issue are still dug in with their stances exactly the same as always....If I wasn't getting ready for our salmon derby tomorrow I might risk a good flaming but sorry fishing comes first....

grandpa2 We agree again! this is getting scary

Yes Rob..there is hope. I like to argue but I like to fish better. Just finished tying up a bunch of theories for tomorrow. Between Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson I almost forgot about political arguments.

like they had to?? saddam had no problem saying so...

what does the arabic writing say? does it say he was involved? or that he's happy an enemy(former friend) got attacked?

Hermann Goering interviewed in his cell at Nuremburg was questioned about his attitude that the common people are thankful for leaders that bring them war and destruction...."Why, of course, the PEOPLE don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war either; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."
"There is one difference," the psychologist pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare war."
"Oh, that is all well and good," Goering responded, "but voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

I'm not real clear as to what you are implying here. Is it that it's OK for the government to mislead us, or is it only OK for the government to mislead us when they are trying to screw us?

Help me understand.

I generally avoid these political threads as they seem even more pointless than our fish management squabbles. However, I'll make this exception because of a comment I recently heard that I believe offers some food for thought.

I'm not sorry at all that Saddam has been removed as head of Iraq. But I was bothered by the pretext (WMD & imminent threat that didn't exist) and the execution of a pre-emptive strike. I was thinking that since pre-emptive strikes are now official US policy, we shouldn't be bothered if another country, believing itself threatened by the US, decides to launch a pre-emptive strike against us. Just about that time, someone pointed out that those who think our pre-emptive strike in Iraq was OK shouldn't be bothered a bit by Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Hmmm, what's good for the goose is good for the gander . . . ?

A smaller scale follow up to this regards the status of the prisoners at Quantanimo - no rights nor access to legal representation, etc. I read that a group of retired military officers filed a friend of the court brief. The basis of their brief is that if the US doesn't abide by the Geneva convention, captured US forces will be redefined in future conflicts as not being prisoners of war, but rather as "foreign combatants."

These are but a few actions that seem like a strange way to make the world a better place.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Shilton,

The point was people expect everyone else to tell them the truth but do not require the same for themselves. They tend to justify their actions based on the situation. Example most democrats I talk with justified Clintons lying about his actions as not important "because it was his personal life" Yet they expect full disclosure on even matters of national security from the opposite party or those people are dismissed as liars.

THEKING, what Clinton did wasn't such a big deal because:
1) The GOP and it's fronts hounded him from the day he was in office.
2) It really didn't affect many lives or world peace.
3) It was a matter of matrimony not public discretion.

Compare that to Bush's lies.