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#232138 - 02/08/04 10:34 AM Fish out of water
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I would like some ideas on how you fish-catching guru's advocate keeping your wild steelhead in the water. I'm not interested in the least challenging landings, but rather the most challenging scenarios. Give me some ideas, because I see as much doom and gloom as good side to this latest issue. beer
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#232139 - 02/08/04 05:29 PM Re: Fish out of water
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A person fishing the steep side of a river bend, they catch a wild steelhead, risk their life trying to land it without an net, fall in the river, and they get swept away in the current never to be seen again. But then again this is why you don't fish these areas but some stupid people still do. rolleyes
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#232140 - 02/08/04 05:48 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Either dont fish those areas or like I have done or would do cutt your line. The fish will do just fine with the hook in its mouth and you didnt risk your life getting the hook out.

Another tip is to use barbless hooks much easier to get out in a hurry or under bad situations.

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#232141 - 02/08/04 06:01 PM Re: Fish out of water
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F5A,

I fish good lies that have poor or impossible options for landing fish whenever I can. I'd rather hook a steelhead with no chance whatever of landing it than not hooking it at all. I usually use barbless hooks, and my policy is usually to pull hard, the rest is easy. Either the hook pulls free, straightens, or the leader breaks. And sometimes it goes better than I thought. Standing almost chest deep with no bank nearby, I've managed to bring a steelhead to hand and get my hand on the fly and remove it without actually handling the steelhead. I don't count on that happening however.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#232142 - 02/08/04 10:33 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Well, FJ15, I guess I'm one of those "stupid people" then, as I fish the short side of holes many times, catching those fish that guys fishing the "right" side can't reach because of depth and water speed.

I guess I could use a wool glove or a cable-tailer.....just kidding, but you can bet you're going to see more of that kind of thing.

Salmo G and Rich....I use barbless hooks almost exclusively. I don't mind cutting my line. I use the cheapest of gear, so that's not a problem. If I'm close enough to snip my line though, I'm most likely close enough to just unhook the fish. (You know guys with $3 spoons or spinners aren't going to be cutting any line.)

I think maybe my only option is to use an unhooking tool....man, I can see the "high sticking" rods breaking now.. frown Geez, guys, this "keep 'em in the water" rule really is not a good one, in my opinion. One-man drift boats are going to be in a tough spot too. Oh well, maybe someone will reconsider....thanks for the responses. beer
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#232143 - 02/09/04 04:28 AM Re: Fish out of water
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I've had times when I couldn't get control of a fish to unhook it alone. Options I've used are:
A. letting the line go slack so the barbless hook comes loose.
B. pointing the rod at the fish and giving a yank to break the leader.

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#232144 - 02/09/04 11:11 AM Re: Fish out of water
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I will do as I have always done.

First I will try to simply reach down with a pair of pliers and pop the hook free.

If that is not possible I will row to calmer water to do as stated above.

If that is not possible I will use my catch and release net to help release the fish safely.

P.S. Barbless hooks always help
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#232145 - 02/09/04 01:51 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Registered: 11/03/99
Posts: 502
Loc: Albany OR
That law is gay. So I would just do as Ive always done. If the fish ends up out of the water.....Oh well it happened. If someone says something to me about it I will tell them to go pound sand up an orifice laugh

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#232146 - 02/09/04 02:08 PM Re: Fish out of water
Salmo g. Offline
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Willierower,

". . . is gay." ??? If you're fishing in WA and the person who says something to you about it is a WDFW agent, your comment is going to cost you close to $150.

Now, that would be entertaining to see.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#232147 - 02/09/04 03:29 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Im for the c-r of all wild steelhead but if I hook and land a trophy fish Im gettin a picture of it. The fish and game needs to target the real a- holes like poachers!
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#232148 - 02/09/04 03:37 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Posts: 502
Loc: Albany OR
It would be entertaining to see the look on the agents face if I said that to one laugh . You should have seen the look on an OSP officers face when I told him to get a warrant if he wanted to look in my boat, Now that was a funny. Oh yeah I wouldnt be too worried about actually seeing a WDFW agent in the field. They are kinda like Bigfoot. People say they exist in the field but I have yet to see one!!!!

You will find that most guys feel the way I do about that law. Im not saying its ok to net a fish and let it flop in the bottom of the boat before throwing back in. But give me a break! There is nothing wrong with holding a fish up for a quick picture then letting it swim off on its own.

Its about time WA went wild steelhead release state wide. Now just get the nets out of the rivers and you guys might actually be on the road to recovery................... That law is meaningless until the nets and the rampant poaching problems are gone.....

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#232149 - 02/09/04 04:46 PM Re: Fish out of water
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I kinda have to agree with Willie on this one.

I can count the number of times, on one hand, I've been stopped and/or checked by a WDFW enforcement office while in the field. Of those, I've never been checked while fighting, or just releasing a fish.

I like those odds.

Sparkey's Law is just poorly thought out, and not enforceable with our current (or lack of) method of enforcement.

I think there should be a Parker's Law: State Wide Single Barbless, No Bait.

Good luck not "handling" any wild fish when that Owner Cutting Point trebble hook, either on your wrapped K-15, or your Tadpolly, just demolishes the face of that wild fish. Yeah, like tweaking it's face with a pair of pliars, while trashing around in the net (but in the water), is doing any good to the fish. rolleyes
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#232150 - 02/09/04 05:16 PM Re: Fish out of water
Kev Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 644
Loc: Bothell, Wa
I think this law needs to be amended to "not bringing the fish in the boat"....
I use a 3ft dowel with a hook in the end out in the salt, this works great for the rivers as well. In most of the rivers I fish, it's easy to net the fish (with the proper CnR Net), get to a shallow bank, get out and release the fish. If possible grabbing a photo wouldn't hurt. Single or Siwash barbless hooks are the way to go...

Kev

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#232151 - 02/09/04 05:48 PM Re: Fish out of water
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Parker,

I think "Parker's law" will be on its way in some sort of form with some type of date alowing bait and barbs when large numbers of hatchery fish are around.

I agree that "Sparkeys law" sucks but I do support it as people dont deserve the right to mistreat wild fish. We will see how enforceable it is. Going to be an interesting one on the plunking bars of the Quileute and Hoh ,as will WSR.

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#232152 - 02/09/04 10:00 PM Re: Fish out of water
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You know what, guys? I feel better about this law. I still think it is nuts to put anyone in a predicament by prescribing parameters like "but don't take the fish out of the water".

Anyway, like it or not, I know a way around this thing. It is not illegal to release hatchery fish, right? Well, that one was a hatchery fish......I release them all the time......Honest! rolleyes
Parker....I do like your style! beer
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#232154 - 02/10/04 12:12 AM Re: Fish out of water
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Registered: 11/24/03
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Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket....

I've managed to get checked three seasons running in Grays Harbor... each time the patrol boat started closing in just as a fish was being landed. During the no king retention in 2003, the officer was bemoaning all the abuses he had witnessed all day long, but was powerless to do anything about.
frown

I have taken lots of "hero shots" of salmon destined for release:


but that's coming to an abrupt end next season.... just not worth the $150 for a photo. Next year they're all gonna look like this:


Unless of course I get one as big as FishNg1's fishy ....

then I'm jumping out of the boat to cradle it in the water before letting it go. Just have to make sure I have an extra change of dry clothes aboard, you know, just in case. :p
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#232155 - 02/10/04 02:37 AM Re: Fish out of water
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Registered: 03/06/99
Posts: 1231
Loc: Western Washington
Quote:
Originally posted by parker:
I think there should be a Parker's Law: State Wide Single Barbless, No Bait.
Actually Parker, I approached an employee of the WDFW about 2 1/2 years ago at one of those regulation proposal hearings and asked about the validity of a statewide single barbless hook regulation in rivers, streams etc.

His response was more or less "Don't even think about it...It'll never happen" so with that wonderful encourgement, I never sent in the proposal.

This year however, I proposed a single-barbless hook regulation and bait ban for the Sky during the summer-season to protect juvenille salmonids which are so very important to our future stocks. It was shot down.

Oh well...I will keep trying. Hmmmm...I can not help but wonder what Sparkey's Bill of 2006 will be?? Maybe if some of us can still not keep from putting hero shots before the fish, I should propose a camera ban. No fisherman may possess a camera within a 100 yards of a river that harbors wild steelhead. wink
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#232156 - 02/10/04 02:41 AM Re: Fish out of water
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One more thing...

fNp-
That second photo is great, a very well taken photo.

And for all those that may think I am in someway anti-camera/photo, I love a great photograph as much as the next guy.

I fought tooth and nail for this law not because I am in someway against pictures of fish, but because so many out there can not handle the responsibility that is put into their hands when they need to handle wild steelhead.

It is still possible to take a quality photo as I have proven in earlier posts while ensuring that cetain irresponsible anglers must keep their fish in the water.

Plus the regulation that was passed was a much more widspread version of the regulation that I proposed and fought for. It could very well be one of the most progessive and enlightened regulations regarding fish handling in the Country...which I find to be very encouraging considering it came from the WDFW Fish & Wildlife Commission.
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#232157 - 02/10/04 02:42 AM Re: Fish out of water
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sparkey:
No fisherman may possess a camera within a 100 yards of a river that harbors wild steelhead. wink
LOL!
And your gonna get photo proof of all those law breakers to boot!

rofl

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#232158 - 02/10/04 03:12 AM Re: Fish out of water
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Registered: 02/28/00
Posts: 580
Loc: Mt. Vernon
Sparkey-
Hate to break it to ya but this is not a new idea. This rule has been in effect on some of the rivers in AK like the Nushagak where I worked for a few years now. It is sad that it has to come down to this though. I wonder how many people will actually abide by it? I know..........just being honest.........but if I catch my first 20 pound steelhead I'll probably be an outlaw and lift it out of the water for a quick photo if no one else is around. I know I will probably catch much flack for saying it but I am only voicing what most people in that situation would do. I am very careful with the fish that I catch and expect everybody else to do the same but if somebody lifts a fish out of the water.......as long as it is still over the water..........I am not going to fault them for it if they are being careful. I know that you can get some decent shots of the fish when they are in the water but.......... Well let the flaming begin.
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