A while ago i planned a support our troops rally, if this goes down i would totally lvoe to help plan it and be there for sure! I will help get as much media attention as posiible! If somone wants to plan this thing, let me know and perhaps we can start! If some of the older members (no offense you guys) show up and then som of the younger ones, like me and FJ 15 and posiibyl some of my friends i think we could totally get a lot of attention towards the cause!

I think the hardest part would be getting a permit, then comes the easy part of planning it, and having the people show up!

Lets force the states hand. Lets file a class action law suite for descrimination.Judge Bolt says the tribes are entitled to 50% of the harvest. The state allows the tribe to net natives. The other 50% should be ours to take.

It seems if we bring a class action lawsuite for our 50% something will have to give. We will force the state to either allow us to keep nats or stop the killing in the nets. I think it will force the state to deal with the tribe.

In a previous thread, one of our members said the state won't deal with the tribe because they don't want an expensive litigation.

Lets give it to them and force their hands. Lets paint them into a corner.

The Quinault tribe is allowed to net native silvers and steelhead on the Hump. Their nets will be in till april 15th.

Maguana

"Without rules we all might as well be hanging from trees and flinging our crap at each other" R. Foreman

I work close by so if you do it around the hour... I will be there.

-rbf

Dave

Here is something for you to thing about!

Enjoy!

RCW 77.110.020
Petition to congress.
The people of the state of Washington petition the United States Congress to immediately make the steelhead trout a national game fish protected under the Black Bass Act.

Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (P.L. 97-79, 95 Stat. 1073, 16 U.S.C. 3371-3378, approved November 16, 1981, and as amended by P.L. 100-653, 102 Stat. 3825, approved November 14, 1988, and P.L. 98-327, 98 Stat. 271, approved June 25, 1984) These amendments repealed the Black Bass Act and sections 43 and 44 of the Lacey Act of 1900 (18 U.S.C. 43- 44), replacing them with a single comprehensive statute.

Under this law, it is unlawful to import, export, sell, acquire, or purchase fish, wildlife or plants taken, possessed, transported, or sold: 1) in violation of U.S. or Indian law, or 2) in interstate or foreign commerce involving any fish, wildlife, or plants taken possessed or sold in violation of State or foreign law.

The law covers all fish and wildlife and their parts or products, and plants protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species and those protected by State law. Commercial guiding and outfitting are considered to be a sale under the provisions of the Act.

Felony criminal sanctions are provided for violations involving imports or exports, or violations of a commercial nature in which the value of the wildlife is in excess of $350. A misdemeanor violation was established, with a fine of up to $10,000 and imprisonment of up to 1 year, or both. Civil penalties up to $10,000 were provided. However, the Criminal Fines Improvement Act of 1987 increased the fines under the Lacey Act for misdemeanors to a maximum of $100,000 for individuals and $200,000 for organizations. Maximum fines for felonies were increased to $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for organizations.

Rewards are authorized for information leading to arrests, criminal convictions, civil penalties, or the forfeitures of property, and for payment of costs of temporary care for fish, wildlife, or plants regarding a civil or criminal proceeding. Strict liability is established for forfeiture of illegal fish, wildlife or plants, and marking requirements for shipments of fish and wildlife must conform to modern commercial practices.

Those enforcing the Act are authorized to carry firearms, make qualified warrantless arrests for felony and misdemeanor violations of any law of the U.S. when enforcing the Act, search and seize under Attorney General guidelines, issue subpoenas and warrants, inspect vessels, vehicles, aircraft, packages, crates, and containers on arrival in the United States from outside the United States or prior to departure from the United States.

Amendments to the humane shipment provisions of Title 18 required the Secretary of the Interior to issue regulations governing such activity.

As amended May 24, 1949, 18 U.S.C. 42 (63 Stat. 89, September 2, 1960; P.L. 86-702; 74 Stat. 753; and November 29, 1990, P.L. 101-646, 104 Stat. 4772) prohibits importation of wild vertebrates and other animals listed in the Act or declared by the Secretary of the Interior to be injurious to man or agriculture, wildlife resources, or otherwise, except under certain circumstances and pursuant to regulations.

I think this applies to fish or game taken illegally. or poached....indian netting of wild fish is legal.

What do you think happens to all those wild steelhead that are killed in the gill net fishery in the Columbia?

Well, I tried to stay quiet while I read up on this controversy. I was actually hoping for some dialogue from the indians view point so I could see each side more clearly.

I have never seen any other country feel bad for the people they have taken over. In fact, if anyone was to try to take us over now, we'd be eliminated. For some odd reason, we try to be kind to our enemies. Try the soldiers that were dragged through the streets as we pour billions into Iraq to help them restore their government and society. If they were here, you know the drill....
Anyhow, is there some reason I am a second class citizen in my own country? Are we not all americans? Why do I get to pay the fees and have rivers closed off to me.? No casino pays me, I pay the fees on my own. I actually love the indians history and culture, but there is no reason I should stand behind them or anyone else when it comes to my rights in my country. Ok, venting done!

Ok...my feelings about "Wild Steelies" has already got me kicked off one site....so i'll be gentle, :p I thunk that if you are gonna list a fish...species...as endangered it should apply to everyone...no culture...net....guide...angler should be able to compromise it's wellbeing in any way. I'm ok with following those rules...so should everyone else...If you are of "native american" decent then maybe you should go about your harvest in the manner that your ancestors did. No motors....no aluminum for that matter...this is not a rip on "native americans". I was born in the NW, am i a Native American?? Should i/we have the same rights?? I think it's time to cut off the freebies. There is a very distinctive difference between a hatchery fish and a "Native", You know.....only we can tell the difference..i mean US...Sport anglers... No netter has ever told a tale of the nate that ripped thier 9inch mesh tangle net Ban all nets... sell only pen or hatchery fish....Heck..let the native americans run a hatchery and sell the fish that return and they can do whatever they want with them.... Ok..Cops is on..i'm out

Louis F.

WOW I'll bet that when you said everyone, even the guides, Bet that got you alot of flack..I agree that if the resources are that limited, then EVERYONE should be included in any type of shut down of the fisheries.