Add to that...
no seals/sea lions
no fish going through the gauntlet of nets that is the pacific
do they have cormorants?

First of all you have huge hatchery programs...

BUT anyways, most importantly the Great Lakes do not exerpience the temperature and productivy cycles that the Pacific Ocean does.

I highly doubt Great Lakes steelheaders understand the term 'ocean condtions' like we do. Pollution and introduced species have an effect on the fishery and I am sure lake survival does vary but that system is so much more static then ours PLUS their variabilities are much easier controlled.

I doubt they have the Great Lakes Decadel Oscillation.

Do you ever get tired Cowlitz?

Not really!

How dare you use an unscientific poll to support your position.

If they'd have bothered to ask, I wonder what percentage of those same fisherman, you know...the ones who stay in Hotels because they don't live there...practice wsr in spite of allowable harvest?

CFM!

I know you have more to say!! With exclamation points at the end of each sentence!! But asking the Commission to reconsider their position is not the same as suing the WDFW!! :p


There is a period of time after rules are passed that people can ask the Commission to reconsider decisions!!!

Fish on!

Todd!

Todd you are correct. You can't sue until the Commission denies your request. No reason to sue, if the Commission accepts there request

But if I was a betting man, I would bet that the Commission will wait to the last minute, and then formally deny the request. I was under the impression that Forks had already made a request to rescind the decision. Are you hearing different?

I know if it was me, I would assume that they are going to turn my request down, and I would be fully prepared to litigate the minute that I received their denial. It would be a good thing for all if the Commission rescinded it descision early, and address the issue when it was originally scheduled to do so. It's appears by all the testimony, that it wouldn't really do much for fish recovery this year anyway because its at the bottom of a five year decline that has always occurred in the end of these 5 year cycles, so why take the heat?


Cowlitzfisherman

CFM,

If they do intend to sue, then if I were them I would be getting my ducks in a row so that I could get started as soon as the denial came.

I was just ribbin' ya about the exclamation points...and then you go and do an entire post without one!



Fish on...

Todd

I'm curious if when you say "asking the commission to reconsider" it means the same as formally appealing the decision as provided for in laws such as the Administrative Procedures Act?

I'm not trying to play Perry Mason here, just wondering if a formal appeal might be the proper first step for potential litigation?

Exactly what are you saying here Cow
"It's appears by all the testimony, that it wouldn't really do much for fish recovery this year anyway because its at the bottom of a five year decline that has always occurred in the end of these 5 year cycles, so why take the heat?"
From what I've heard so far this year might be the 6th year in a row with a decline, so if it's not a 5 year cycle, what is it?

Rob is right. S.W. Washington has been under wild release for about 10 years now and we are finally starting to see some fish returning. When our regulations first changed, we didn't cry and whine and ***** about a bunch of "big city liberals" trying to tell us what to do. In my opinion, Forks is dealing with wild release in the same way they dealt with the end of logging old-growth timber. With their head in the sand.

I suggest that the mayor of Forks look at the C&R section of the Yakima river and observe the economic benefit which can accrue with a well managed catch and release fishery. Or she could look at my checks to Canada, where I fly in to catch and relese wild fish on the Dean River.