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#236057 - 03/11/04 11:04 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
slug Offline
Smolt

Registered: 01/29/03
Posts: 78
Loc: poulsbo
Rob Allen,

What hypocracy. Lets take away property rights so that you can sink a piece of steel into a threatened species, torture and release it and then feel great about yourself because you didn't kill it immediately, although the fish now is in a weakened condition and may well die prematurely. Is freedom of speech next?

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#236058 - 03/11/04 08:54 PM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
Robert Allen3 Offline
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Registered: 04/23/00
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Loc: vancouver WA USA
Slug prove it there is no evidence to support your claim that catch and release causes premature death of fish..

Plunker what you fail to mention is that thoes enviromentalists have been completely ignored by all government agencies for decades where endangered fish are concerned. This is nothing more than thoes who lost a little power ovr the last 15 years grabbing that power back to they cam make wild fish extinct.. This isn't about poor landowners getting theri rights taken away it;s about big business wanting to destroy public resources.. PERIOD who will lose in the end??? Me you and wild salmon.. Thats a fact.

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#236059 - 03/12/04 12:23 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 1362
Loc: DEADWOOD
Plunker are you a member of

WILDCAT STEELHEAD CLUB?
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#236060 - 03/12/04 02:33 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
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Registered: 04/01/00
Posts: 511
Loc: Skagit Valley
WILDCAT STEELHEAD CLUB?

Aren't they affilliated with the Skagit Watershed Council and Skagit Fisheries Enhancement Group who along with some help from the Fidalgo Fly Fishers cooperate to seed the Skagit tributaries through nutrient enhancement projects ?

Why would you ask?
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#236061 - 03/12/04 11:51 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
KerryS Offline
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Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 149
Loc: Everett, WA
Inquiring minds want to know.

Why are wild fish made of meat you ask? If they were made of jello they would dissolve. Sheesh.

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#236062 - 03/12/04 12:22 PM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
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Wildcat Steelhead Club has a seat on Skagit Watershed Council and Steelhead and Cutthroat Policy Advisory Committee. But the Wildcat Steelhead Club has not been represented at both committees for a long time!

Plunked (Jim M.) the door is open jump in! All the knowledge you have on fishing your just the person the groups are looking for. That’s right you don’t have the time. All you do is write stuff on BB! You only live 3 miles away from SWC meeting!

And Wildcat Steelhead Club is NOT doing the Carcass Distribution on the Skagit System! The Fidalgo Fly Fishers is the group doing it! I’m the contact person on this project. Wildcat Steelhead Club couldn’t get the help to do this project, we have been help for three years now (ask Bill R.) No one from Wildcat Steelhead Club offered any help this year!
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#236063 - 03/13/04 08:29 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
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Registered: 06/04/03
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Loc: Brier, Washington
there is no evidence to support your claim that catch and release causes premature death of fish..


Rob , as usual , you are just plain wrong.....

AND THAT'S A FACT!!! PERIOD!!!
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#236064 - 03/13/04 01:05 PM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
slug Offline
Smolt

Registered: 01/29/03
Posts: 78
Loc: poulsbo
Rob Allen,

You are absolutely wrong! This is about small landowners losing their property rights. I have had personal experience and no one would call me a slash and burn type of person.

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#236065 - 03/14/04 12:59 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
Robert Allen3 Offline
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Registered: 04/23/00
Posts: 737
Loc: vancouver WA USA
grandpa2.. please prove it..

Slug.. Todd was kind enough to tell us exactly who the pacific legal foundation has represented.. none of which were small land owners.. and if having your property rights taken from you means that it keeps you from destroying public resources such as wild salmon habitat then it's a very good thing...
I for one am sick of people complaining about the damage they can no longer cause. I don't care what rights landowners lose it's time to save the fish...

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#236066 - 03/14/04 10:17 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
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Registered: 06/04/03
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Loc: Brier, Washington
Rob..my previous post was supposed to be a joke to show you how you sound sometimes....Very absolute in your opinions...for example:

"I don't care what rights landowners lose it's time to save the fish..."

That comment is an example of why groups like the PLF exist. They exist to stop extreme regulations that, in their opinion, go way beyond the intent of laws designed to protect our environment. The fact is that many knee-jerk decisions have been made in the name of environmentalism that cannot be supported by science. Alot of people don't buy the idea that if you are a business you are a pig and against fish. As a small example, clearcutting makes me sick but I am not against all logging and I am not against all logging roads...I don't want to pound spikes into trees to prevent logging and I won't be sitting in a tree to save an owl anytime soon. I am for saving fish with sound logical science .
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#236067 - 03/15/04 02:42 AM Re: Steelhead Lawsuit Challenges ESA Listing
Robert Allen3 Offline
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Registered: 04/23/00
Posts: 737
Loc: vancouver WA USA
Grandpa and nothing is happening to stop the extreme idiocy of ladowners who think that anything they do on their property is ok.
Salmon and stelhead in the state of Washington have been and are still in long term decline and NOTHING is being done about it.. There is a lot of great talk about reforming this and habitat restoration in tiny pieces here and there but basically nothing is being done to save fish.. there are some things that should never be done in salmon habitat no matter who owns the land.. They say to hell with salmon so i say to hell with them...

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