JG,

Don't bother with the WSR/CNR distinction with boater...he knows the difference...he's just being difficult.

I wouldn't worry about it...

Fish on...

Todd

Have to agree that we will never be rid of human stupididty.. But is seems that we embrase it's public expression these days...


So if one out of 5 released fish die. what is the difference in catching two fish knocking them dead and heading on your merry way. Or catching 10 fish and releasing them all having two die? Maybe it should be that you are not allowed to release any fish! Keep what you catch period. and set the limits accordingly...

So Rivershrk---- where did you come up with the 20% mortality rate?

Sorry JG,

1 out of every 20 fish....

So I catch two bonk em and go home or catch 40 fish and two die.. Now I know by reading here that 40 fish days are all too common..

The point being is not everyone is going to catch 2 fish everytime out. However the ones that are going to catch 2 fish are most likely the ones to catch the 20 fish in a day.

Limit the take to one fish.. You catch it you go home for the day.. One fish caught and dead.. Seems to take allot of the guess work out of it. Anglers report the catch on the catch card and that is that.

Shark. What about those anglers that don't wish to eat a fish. Are you suggesting that they waste them?

Once again, a fisher argues that the best deal is to minimize fishing. Let's just say I'm happier catching 40 than 2. And if the net result is the same, how can you say you're NOT better off catching 40 fish and eating Hungry Man dinners?

For the love of Pete..........what's wrong with you'se guys?

Bob,

Why kill a fish if you do not wish to eat it?
My granddad and pops taught me you kill it you grill it otherwise you are a waste!

But Actually Bob I do believe there is a balance and a state wide ban on native fish is not the balance.

Dan
Why should I give up what I love eating for your pleasure?

You like eating fish better than fishing?

Ok, I guess........I just don't understand.

I've heard others express the same opinion........I just can't fathom it myself. I can't think of anything I'd rather eat instead of fishing..........well, maybe something.

Dan the only reason I fish is to eat them!! Understand that the pursuit of food and the setting of the table is the ultimate reward.

The chase gives the saticfaction to know that all the work put forth into fooling the fish that I am about to eat has paid off. The ablility to wake up in the morning and the ability to be able to still use my own body and strength to pursue food is what makes it great. I love the outdoors too much to not pursue them. Same falls true for the hunt.

I understand.

I'd still give up a fish dinner for an extra couple days' fishing though.

That is great.. But I am not willing to give up my dinner for your pleasure...

But you think I should give up days worth of fishing for yours?

Oh.......I see.

Nope I did not say that either.. I mearly pointed out that there is more than one way to skin a fish.. ..

As I said there is a balance..

There are many ways to keep it balanced. However our so beloved commission decides all to often to lean to extremes. Mostly because there are a bunch of whiners beating them down all day screaming extreme measures are needed we have to do this.. Blaaa blaaa blaaaa... Orgs that take measures the same way PETA or other anti orgs use.. It is pretty clear to see..

I am very reasonable and have no problem releasing a wild fish if SCIENCE can prove that it will save the resource.
So how about a system where you are allowed to catch and release up to 20 fish in a given day and I am allowed to Catch and keep one?? You have to record all fish caught and released and I have to record all my keeps..

The way the stocks of wild fish are going downhill the day will come when you won't be able to keep a wild fish if the harvest numbers stay where they are today. That's a fact.

What harvest number Anglers or NETS? Do harvest numbers account for the 1 in 20 fish that die from C&R? NOPE no way to track that cuz they are not recorded... Jerry the numbers for harvest do not take allot of other things into concideration that need to be. It is not just harvest that is declining the population. It is many eliments... That is fact!

I get ya.......and I wouldn't be opposed to a reg setting a limit on the number you can hook and release, either. But it would be very difficult to enforce. Without anything for a gamey to look at, how could this count be confirmed?

Yup Dan I agree enforcement is and always will be an issue. However the folks that are going to buck the system are going to buck it no matter what the laws are..

Wdfw does include hooking mortality in their numbers(not harvest numbers) when they figure total run size and escapement etc.
Can't do anything about the nets without an act of congress--- so that argument is senseless. So your telling me that you think that fisherman (maybe you) from Seattle will drive to the Forks area and catch a fish in the first 5 minutes (have to bonk the first one) and start their drive home and be happy with their experience.

And just how does the wdfw track that hooking mortality rate? There is no method to track it is there?

As far as the truck to the coast.. I have already stated that there is more than one way to skin a fish.. If 1 fish dies out of ever 20 caught. Then why not make the catch and release limit 20 and the catch and keep limit 1? Those who want the meat can have it and those who want the experience can have it. Both being limited eaqual..
Make it manditory to mark down every fish caught and released..

Yes enforcement is an issue but It is an issue with every game regulation. Beings that everyone here is a law obiding sportsman or woman there should be no problems....

WDFW estimates the mortality rate from CNR or WSR just like they estimate for poachers. So under your plan what would keep somebody from CNRing 10 fish and bonking the 11 one?