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#241630 - 04/22/04 12:44 AM Fly fishing thread
Salmo g. Offline
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Since I'm partial to fly fishing, I just had to read the 4 page thread of that title. I had to work late the last couple days, so it took me two nights to get through it. Disappointingly, it wasn't all that much about fly fishing. But it got me to thinking, especially Bruce's contention that WSR isn't that far removed from statewide fly fishing only regulations. I thought, gee, maybe he's right. Fly fishing has been evolving in ways that would make traditional practitioners roll over in their graves.

I crack up over the comments about snobbish fly fishermen. It's not that I haven't met any, but they've actually been fewer than the snobbish and incredibly rude spin casters, bait casters, jet boaters, drift boaters, bait-container littering, and let's see, who else is there to offend? Of course, maybe it's only cuz about 10% of the state's angling population are fly fishers (hard to figure with so many cross-overs).

But since WSR isn't the cure-all for all that ails our fishery resource, I tried to come up with a regulation package that would actually achieve conservation while preserving opportunity, altho I'm not sure it's actually fishing opportunity.

I think the first step is to designate all waters of the state, rivers, lakes, Puget Sound, Columbia River, and Pacific Ocean, beaver ponds, you name it, if it's wet, it's fly fishing only - year round. Oh, and of course, that's for all species of fish. Assuming all species could or might be angled for. Which might be a stretch. And naturally, for all people - all races, ethnicities, religions, cultures, sexual preferences (no kinky exceptions, either).

Now you may think this is extreme. However, I'm concerned it doesn't go far enough. Have you seen the way some of these so-called fly fishers are practicing the craft these days? Carbon fiber rods, reels with disc drags that can stop a truck. Lines made of miracle fibers and materials, you know, better living - and fishing - through chemistry; lead core, sinking lines that sink faster than lead; floating lines that an anchor can't sink. And fly reels loaded with monofiliment nylon line. Huh? What for? And how is that like fly fishing? And leader materials that are not to be believed. Weighted flies. And "strike indicators", which are not even very sophisticated floats or bobbers.

It gets worse my friends. Breathable waders - so anglers can wade, cast, and fish in comfort. Imagine, fishing in comfort, and trying to pass that off as really fishing! What a bunch of wusses! We all know that real anglers expect to suffer, and accomodate it with enthusiasm.

And boats. Jet boats. Drift boats. Rafts. And now comes the armada of individual pontoon boats. Whatever happened to beating the brush for miles . . . in heavy, sweaty Hodgman waders? Next thing you know, there'll be jet skis for every fly fisherman. Whether it has anything to do with fishing or not.

It's becomming increasingly clear to me that to protect the sanctity of our sport, not to mention the potentially significant contribution to fisheries conservation, we have to narrowly define the allowable fly fishing gear type to avoid excessive impact to our ever-dwindling fishery resources. OK, maybe some of the exotic import species aren't dwindling all that much.

The regulations:

Henceforth, no fishing rods other than bamboo, greenheart, or hickory (I have some low income relatives that may have been mistakenly referenced as Neanderthals in that other thread). Flylines of silk, linen, or horse hair. Period. No exceptions. Leaders of gut. No nylon, not to mention flourocarbon. Yuck! And naturally, no lead weighted flies. And no hooks larger than standard wire, size 2. Obviously, no split shot or lead or other weight beyond traditional fly dressing materials. Oh, and fly reels may not have disc drags; not that it is likely to matter; not all that many large fish are going to be hooked.

Naturally, no boats of any kind. And no breathable waders. Neoprene either. Maybe a wader ban. Combine that with a total ban of all boats of any kind, and some folks might begin to think fishing opportunity is seriously threatened.

And if this doesn't bring back the fish populations, Jacob mentioned a great addition to the arsenal: cut the hook off at the bend on all flies. That should really minimize the impact of angling on fish populations. Not to mention what it'll do for the economy. All the money we waste on fishing accouterments could be diverted to more productive, if less satisfying, investments.

I may have failed to gore someone's sacred ox, but I just finished my third glass of wine, so I apologize if I left any one out.

If you actually read this, thank you for your sense of humor. After umpteen multi-page threads that were mindful beyond belief of minutae, I had to try something different.

t.i.c.

Salmo g.

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#241631 - 04/22/04 12:52 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Bruce Pearson Offline
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Registered: 01/19/00
Posts: 287
Loc: Auburn, WA USA
LOL that was a good read and you know it just might work. Hey its a step in the right direction. ;\)

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#241632 - 04/22/04 01:05 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Don't forget banning felt soled boots...what's a good fishing season without dunking over your head at least once a week?

Polarized glasses, too...and no fog lights on your truck for driving up to the Stilly in the morning.

Whoever invented creamer for coffee is another enemy of the traditional flyfisherman...it's just not the same as having to scramble into the bushes while dropping your drawers and your rod, getting all scratched up by the Devil's Club and blackberry bushes. Good ol' black tar coffee...now that's a flyfishing tradition.

Anyone who calls any "bug" flying around by its latin name ought to be banned from the river, too...this is no place for soft academic types. A "bug" is a "bug"...you don't need to know its name to match it.

Stomach pumps, magnifying glasses, and reference materials in the field should be grounds not only for being banned, but for a good beating first.

Fish on...

Todd
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#241633 - 04/22/04 01:11 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Jeff D Offline
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Registered: 05/12/03
Posts: 881
Loc: S. Whidbey
I guess I better just learn to enjoy casting, eh?

Good read Salmo, \:\) and I only finished my 1st glass of Trader Joe's finest red.

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#241634 - 04/22/04 08:47 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Smalma Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2834
Loc: Marysville
Salmo -
Finally someone having some sense (of humor)!

But really - you just have to replace that wine with a shot of that stuff that comes in a Mason Jar! I'm sure that several of the upper valley folks can point you in the correct direction if you need a source!

Tight lines
S malma

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#241635 - 04/22/04 11:14 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Beezer Offline
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Registered: 06/09/99
Posts: 838
Loc: Monroe WA
Ahhh Mr. G, drinking and posting again eh? (A nice Mendocino chardonnay perhaps?) It's obvious that you're on a downward spiral into the abyss. It's only a matter of time before they'll find you fishing with Microb...n! Maybe an intervention is in order? Or maybe we should call MADP!

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#241636 - 04/22/04 12:25 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Homer2handed Offline
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Salmo g.
Thanks


Todd
You Step over the line again!
When you talk about my fog lights, thats It!
NOW we have to talk!
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#241637 - 04/22/04 12:32 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Sheesh...thanks for reminding me, Homer...I left out the most obvious...

NO TWO-HANDERS!!

It's not like we're in Scotland, or somethin'.



Fish on...

Todd
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#241639 - 04/22/04 12:53 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Homer2handed Offline
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Aunty M
Remeber T-14?

Todd
Now you really did it!
We have to talk!
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#241640 - 04/22/04 06:51 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Fishingjunky15 Offline
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 860
Loc: Puyallup, WA
Quote:
Originally posted by Salmo g.:
I crack up over the comments about snobbish fly fishermen. It's not that I haven't met any, but they've actually been fewer than the snobbish and incredibly rude spin casters, bait casters, jet boaters, drift boaters, bait-container littering, and let's see, who else is there to offend?
How can they call us what they do when many more of them are far worse? Thanks for stating the truth!

(I'm not saying that all gear anglers are like this [I gear fish sometimes too] it's just that you hardly ever find that type of behavior in fly fishermen).
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#241641 - 04/22/04 06:54 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Fishingjunky15 Offline
Spawner

Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 860
Loc: Puyallup, WA
Quote:
Originally posted by Todd:
Sheesh...thanks for reminding me, Homer...I left out the most obvious...

NO TWO-HANDERS!!

It's not like we're in Scotland, or somethin'.



Fish on...

Todd
Now, now! How can you say that? Spey casting and using spey style flies is even more traditional and higher than using a one-hander. Spey fishing is a small step up from regular fly fishing. Shame on you. *insert shaking finger smilly*
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#241642 - 04/22/04 07:38 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Quote:
Spey fishing is a small step up from regular fly fishing
Hey! So's "strike indicators and weighted flies"...a.k.a....float and jig...

Just kidding...I don't ever miss a chance to get on Homer and Sinktip for their double handed tendencies. Probably because it's the only type of fishing around here that I haven't had a chance to do yet.

Fish on...

Todd
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#241643 - 04/22/04 07:39 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
silver hilton Offline
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Registered: 10/08/01
Posts: 1147
Loc: Out there, somewhere
Personally, I think any rod that has a reel and guides on it is unfair to the fish. And don't even get me started on the evils of monfilament!!! Let's get back to willow sticks and packing string!
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#241644 - 04/22/04 08:40 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13488
Aunty M,

Sorry, no sink tips, and especially no T-14. That stuff is way low-brow. This thread is intended to convert fishing into a respectable passtime. Yeah, I know, a few of us are gonna' have a problem with that.

Sincerely,
and still t.i.c.,

Salmo g.

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#241645 - 04/22/04 09:18 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Salmo,

Will we get to go old school and use blue heron feathers and polar bear fur? The synthetic stuff would kind of defeat the purpose of the new regulations, wouldn't it?

Todd
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#241646 - 04/22/04 09:43 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
grandpa2 Offline
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 1698
Loc: Brier, Washington
do you fly fishermen wear those spandex outfits and the little pointy shoes like the bicycle nuts do...? Little pointy hats that make you go real fast? skin tight suit so the wind doesn;t slow you down.?
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#241647 - 04/22/04 11:39 PM Re: Fly fishing thread
inland Offline
Fry

Registered: 11/23/00
Posts: 27
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Grandpa 2,

Nah, some of the fruit loops out there like to wear fuscia long johns and freaky colored fleece coats though.

Just wonderin' though, do all gear fisherman wear Carhartts??? (tic)

William

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#241648 - 04/23/04 12:28 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Real gear fishermen wear cowboy boots.
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#241649 - 04/23/04 12:34 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Twig Offline
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Registered: 02/27/03
Posts: 103
Loc: Portland
Well done Salmon G.!!!

You need to submit your article to STS or any other mag...I'm sure it would get printed.

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#241650 - 04/23/04 02:19 AM Re: Fly fishing thread
Homer2handed Offline
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Grampa
I have a tutu (Todd Just love it when I wear it, fishing with him)
But I haven't found any size 14 pointy shoes (do you know where I could find them?)
And I only wear my WSC hat when I fish!
And Todd I leave the strike indicators to you gear guys!
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