Heard Bruce got banned today. What a crock! Bob lets AuntyM go after him all the time and he reacts once and its bye bye...

Lets go cow tippin and tip that fat cow

Grow up people, or get a life.

There is way more to life than posting o n an internet site BB.

Actually, I didn't place the initial time-out this afternoon.

But when there's an email when I get in from fishing that states:

"It will make for some entertaining posting on my board though. You've just made things worse than you needed too."

I'm more than happy to let it stand.

Like I give a hoot anyhow Bruce. My life does not revolve little internet "battles" ... take it elsewhere.

I

Bob: Way to go. We dont need the kind of personal insults that he was dishing up. His logic was bizzare, but that's not an issue with me. The childish insults were waaaay over the top.

This was one of the reasons I lost interest in the board for a while...

I'm Gonna bite my tounge here... (which is kinda suprising considering how many beers it took to mow the lawn)

not trying to start trouble here , but, was wondering why you feel bruce`s logic was bizzare ?

Good riddance! I had no problem with him making his point but geez!!!! It was taking over the board.
Good job Bob!

Good call

Was getting tired of the conspiracy theories, and the anti wild steelhead crap... The board will be a better place

*Cow Tipping*



---You know how cows sleep standing up, with their legs locked? You drive out into the country at night...



--and find a bunch of sleeping cows. Cows are really stupid, so it’s real easy to sneak up on them...



--Then you shove a bunch of them over before they know what’s happening. Boy are they surprised!


Can a person really tip a cow, and why don’t we just go out and try it?


YES! But you can't do it here!

THE COWS ARE SACRED!

Bruce was warned a couple of times about instigating things with Auntie on this board. But for Bruce it was a win/win situation. If nothing was done , he could continue to bash Auntie. If he gets removed from the board then Bruce gets to b!tch about big bad P.P. and Bob "
"It will make for some entertaining posting on my board though. You've just made things worse than you needed too.".

Seems so childish when there are important fishing issues to work on!!

Jerry,
Thats a load of BS and you know it! You have always took AuntyM's side no matter how wrong she was and no matter who she was attacking.She has always been the instigater of the personal attacks.Its almost funny how you always warn people about there posting if there on the other side of an issue.But you let the ones on your side attack at will.And have you read your own signiture lately?Maybe you should read it again and really think about it and your actions as a moderater of this site.

Who would expect to find dirty jokes on a fishing board? Nice touch.

So opposing opinions AREN'T welcome here?

Time and time again, the "favorites" get away with whatever they want, and anyone with a different view from the board's mainstream gets chased off. My interest in this board has died off considerably.... its no fun hearing a bunch people with the same viewpoint ramble on about how right they all are. It used to be a fun place to post and interact, but now it feels a little too much like a commune.

Elkrun OUT.

I for one am glad that we get opposing viewpoints on this board. If we need one example of a guy who is doing it correctly and respectfully, I would suggest we look no further than Plunker.

Plunker is in the cross hairs

Hey Aunty, don't make me flame you for stealing my joke, you naughty girl.

Hey Duro, I posted on Bruce's board as Jerryberry and I think I was always respectful and followed the rules but now Bruce has booted me . So then do I boot easy limits etc. and so on . Not really Easy, you have always followed the rules.

WOW!!

since Bruce got the boot what about those on the other side of the issue. Thats where most of the name calling came from. Go back and read some of the posts, I did. It's mostly from three indivduals and not CFM of Bruce.

I'm one of the name callers

This board has gone downhill. There's a bit of a clique here, fairly elitist, and if you don't subscribe to its views, you're a freakin' a-hole not worth the time of day. Racist rhetoric is tolerated, but if you argue vociferously against statewide wild release, you're liable to get booted. Nobody talks about where to fish anymore for fear of getting flamed by those who set the ethical agenda for the entire fishing world. Some of the stuff I see here makes me sick. It's all so contentious. I fish because it's fun, and this site has losts it's fun.

Thats exactly how I feel salmonbelly!

Salmonbelly,
I know you have been here on this site a long time.And I have been here awhile myself.And your post really hit the nail on the head.Its sad what this forum has turned into.Most of the great regulars that were posting when I joined are long gone.Or dont post nearly as often as they did.Or got booted for having a differant opinion.

Geez Jerry, it's nice to know I am loved.

Nothing like a big hug

I stumbled across this one this morning:

For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. Mt 12:34-35


Bob,
Thanks again for your time, effort and sacrifice in providing us with a quality venue for the civil and respectful discussion of our common interests. While it is unfortunate that leadership requires making the tough call from time to time, you have shown us your heart in having done so only as a last resort and having taken no pleasure in the task. I hope that through your leadership and the mutual respect of others that this board will be everything you hope for.

CFM and Bruce,
Wherever you are, I hope you find what you are looking for too and that things will go better for you. I am sorry that you are gone and this is the way it had to be.

Guys and gals,
Peace and good fishing.

Life goes on,
Mooch

This site belongs to Bob and Bob alone what he does with it is his business who he bans or who he lets stay is entirely at his discression. He has cut me a lot of slack in the past for speaking my mind but if he'd have banned me there'd have been no hard feelings.
as Bob asid there's more to life...

And we'll add another to the list: Hairlipangler.

There may be more to come as well.

I don't get a perverse pleasure out of banning people, but those that cause a ruckuss will be booted period.

Call it censorship if you want, but it comes down to maintaining a board civility.

In Hairlip's case, it comes down to maintaining the only major NW board that has not charged for access or asked readers for dollars.

He sent the following to Three Rivers Marine this afternoon:

Dear Sirs,

I regret to inform you I will no longer do any business with your store, due to your association with Piscatorial Pursuits. The owner of that site (Bob Ball), has taken to censoring those who do not agree with the position of the WSC on WSR. Some of those he's censored helped make that site successful. I cannot support him, his website, or his decision to censor pollitically sensitive conversation. I ask that you reconsider advertising on his site.

There is nothing personal, nothing vendictive, but there is a cost for his actions. In this case, it's my support. Thanks for taking the time to read my gripe.


Regards, Real Name Withheld by Bob

That is Hairlip's perogative and right to send the letter off ... but's it's also my right to keep the board running w/o asking for dollars from the users ... so if you wish to try to take that away from myself and ALL users of PP, find a new place to put your $.02 in.

As Goldberg liked to say, "Who's Next?".

Damn, Bob, you jes go wit yo' bad self!

Well my daddy who spent 60 plus years fishing commercially and sports fishing always made a point of repeating to me!!! If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all, I wonder if that is why my tongue is always hurting???PEACE

Well, I wasn’t going to say anything but I am starting to wonder.
I know this is Bob’s board and he can do what ever he pleases. I am thankful to Bob for the web site and enjoyed the all the great information and the people I have met on here. But lately the tones have changed and I am really not that interested anymore and the people I use to like to see post here are no longer around, due to being booted or just decided to leave all together.

What really bothers me about this is I don’t think some people are being treated fairly just because their views. I have never met Bruce or Cowlitz but I thought they brought up some good points and for the most they were not flaming or baiting (my point of view whether it’s right or wrong). If you don’t like what they have to say you don’t have to listen or reply. What really bothers me are all the snide remarks and negative under tones that AuntyM has thrown out but she plays the victim and get away with it, (again my point of view).

I copied this from a poster from gamefishin.com and if it is true, then you are one cold hearted B@@@ Aunty M and it really shows your true color and how childish you are because some one disagrees with you, if not, then my apologies.

“Another new poster here. A friend said to check it out so I am here.
Like previous posters, I like some people on the PP board. I have some good friends on there.
Bruce, sorry about what happened over there. I really don't think it was you but when you wine to the mods and there your friends, you know the outcome.
Any way I want you to clear up something for me, since I only heard it through the grape vine.
Is it true that you got stuck at Cathalemet (SP?) and Aunty M was there and she did nothing to help you out but rather take pictures so she can post it on the web to make fun?
If this is true, that is cold. I would not even do that to some one I dislike. That is just childish behavior and revengeful. Even though I don't care for the Aunty I would still help out if I was in that situation.
Karma, what goes around comes around.
Also glad to see Cowlitz fisherman make a home here, even though we had some arguments over at PP, but I respect his knowledge and his stance.
Again, sorry Bruce for the boot but **** happens I guess fair or not huh? “
Anyway that’s my .02

Wow have I been out of the loop for four or five days and havn't logged on. I noticed that there was some flamming on some posts but mostly I just ignore thouse because they get too stupid to listen too. Might I ask why CFM was booted? I know he was a little loud sometime but he always was one of our watch dogs for events and seminars that concern sport fishermen. I know he brought a lot to the board about saving our fishing. Anyway I was just wondering since I haven't been on in a while.

As for Bruce? I never really liked him here, he's fine on his board but he seemed to really like to argue here.

FJ ... CFM's departure is primarily laid out in a previous thread, you can go back and read it regarding warnings about his posting attitude.

It was initially a temp time-out, but the response from him, some info that I was passed regarding $$$ and Friends of the Cowlitz, as well as his involvement in the petition to rescind the mortorium (after all, it does affect MY livelihood and he can spew his propaganda and someone else's dime) took any chance of a reinstatement and tossed it far out the window.

I'm sick of the conspiracy theory crap. Those that continue to to beat upon will also be shown the door. I give lots of leeway on this site, but I'll put my foot down as well.

On his site, Bruce long ago asked for people to boycott those that make this site happen ... I even let that slide. Every day, he had to find some to ARGUE and not simply discuss with. Day after day, week after week. Enough is enough. Granted Aunty M ruffles some feathers here and there ... most do at one time or another. But, calling a lady a "fat cow" finally pushed him over my edge.

Playing favorites? Maybe, but if the kids didn't fight, the teacher wouldn't have to step in and perhaps show a little bias. What has Bruce done for this site other than egg people on?

Haven't seen many tips, or run-of-the-mill everyday posts from him ... nor have I seen him participate in board actvities or fund-raisers.

If you don't like the rules of the game here, go elsewhere. There's probably about a dozen active NW internet fishing forum people that have been booted from here over the years, so you should have enough to make some conversation. I'm pretty sure http://www.bannedfrompp.com is available

Some need to remember that fishing is about having fun, and although there are often some serious issues that are brought up from time to time, no matter how emotional you might be, a little repsect is gonna be what keeps you around. Others need to take BB's a whole lot less seriously, get up from your keyboard, go fishing, play golf, do something!

And to all those that have great info and stories to share, and even those with opposing views to most of us but with enough courtesy to discuss things rationally and civily ... thanks!

PS - As I said, I may not be done. Got lots of time off for the next month before AK season heats up. Gonna have lots of time to read and keep a close eye on the playground! The mood around the house is gonna change, one way or another!

Hey Bob

Yeah I took the bait. I actually tried that "banned from PP" link just to see if it would work ( OK, maybe just to see who all the bad apples were). It didn't work.

Haven't ever thanked you personally for the work you put into this site....so THANKS!

I've always enjoyed this site 'cause of the level of discourse and the deep experience and perspective a few members bring, even for us newbies with honest questions. Recently it's gone downhill with the WSR reg- seems like the same questions on thread after thread even though they were answered and going mean sideways blaming flyfishers etc etc. Just a ongoing stream of stranger and weirder ideas about how C&R steelhead is for PETA etc. It had to stop somewhere. There is a reasonable debate to be had about the particulars of the issue. "Culture war" seems to have been embraced by some- they must be real put upon. Real strange.

Seems uncouth to me, that another board owner would be posting so much on this site, with such an attitude.

Thanks for moderating Bob and Jerry.

you got to admit the lines are being drawn in the sand. It does seem that the people that diagree with the WSR/WCR are being sent to exicle, The Tribe has spoken....Agenda's work this way.... devided we fall......I guess Im next...DJ

I usually lurk at all the fishing sites, but I have to say that the one thing I found in common on all of them is this: Everyone tends to SUCKUP to the owners of the sites. Kind of like in high school everyone had to say hi to the popular guy so that they wouldnt get picked on. Well, this isnt high school, these are all grownups (or supposed to be) and they all have a voice and an opinion and if you have a public forum, then they should be able to speak their mind without repercussions. Unfortunately, when you do voice your opinion and it isnt a popular one, then you get chastised, ridiculed and also banned.

So, for all the suckups (you know who you are if you re-read this thread), I say continue to suck up cuz eventually you will get something that is going to be hard to swallow, and to those who voice their opinions, keep on doing so! thats what this world is all about, opposing views and diverse thinking.

I also noticed something, why are the administrators called "Wardens"? Kind of appropo wouldnt you say?

I love to fish, I love to eat fish, but I also have a respect for the resources and their future. I do not take a hitleristic approach to conservation, and feel that all true sportsmen feel the same way.

Ban me if you like, but I do have alot of stuff to contribute if you are looking for contributing members, even though I may not agree with WSC and others.

I've noticed that I can post just about any opinion I want, anywhere I want, if I do it civilly. The various folks who get banned from boards generally have a hard time with the concept of civility.
They also seem to have a hard understanding that this isn't a 'public' forum. This is Bob's private property, and we post here with his permission, which he can revoke for whatever reasons he might or might not have. I haven't noticed that hampering my ability to voice my opinion. It does seem to hamper a few people whose opinion seems to be that anyone who disagrees with them is a pinheaded jerk. So be it.

After the last few months of watching all this stuff transpire it seems to me that some of the things that are going on are ill-gotten feelings for one another from a long time ago, just not in the recent months concerning wsc. As far as favortism, and things always being not fair, well thats life, things will not always be fair. I agree with some of the points from both sides, and i also look at it that some of both sides have at one point in time gotten out of hand, but as far as a fisherman being in distress and taking pictures is totally ridiculous and immature. So if Bruce was out there in the water in a life or death situation would you still be taking pictures and poking fun? That doesn't sit well with me at all, we are all human beings. If it wasn't for someone helping me out in a crisis situation on the water i would more than likely be dead or have some permanent injuries from hypothermia. This whole thing has just gotten out of hand IMHO on everyone's part. I wonder how many fisherpersons are gonna have to watch there backs on the water this year because of opposing views. So I take it we have fishing gangs now. Totally pathetic.

SH...I well be the fisrt to admit that sometimes my communication skills need some work....and after reviewing my posts I can tell you Im not even close to what comes across on the sites. its also real easy to lump all the people who disagree into trouble makers. Lets use CLF for an example...he had lots to offer, but a little rough around the edges. He was good for the board he made people think.

Welcome aboard, Procast-inator.

Hello Bob,

As you know I dont agree with wsr or wsc or wst . Cowlitzfishermen and I agree 98% of the time. I prefer to stay away from name calling unless some one starts going off about hillbillies, rednecks, and so called white trash as what happened in the great ethics debate. If I am offended in any way I will retaliate as respectfully as possible.

Bruce was the same way. The battle between him and aunty was started long ago by aunty.Cowlitzfisherman was also attacked first. If the battles were dealt with even handedly at the start most of these problems could have been avoided. I know you shouldnt have to babysit but there are some good fishermen leaving the board because of the seemingly biased decisions regarding Cowlitzfisherman and Bruce.

I believe that the best way to handle this in the future is to ban the first offenders from the threads they offend on. Not from the site. If someone is passionate enough to start namecalling because of someone elses viewpoint then it would really kill them not to be able to respond any longer on that thread.


I am really writing this cause if this keeps up I will have no one here that thinks like I do and I will have to carry the tin foil hat all by my lonsome.

Unfortunatley Micro ... as far as I kow, I can't ban from just a thread, so I don'thave much option.

Just let it all go?

Then the board becomes a NWFishing that gets perhaps a post a week.

Bruce talked smack about this site on his long before his banning, in fact, it was almost immediately after the WSR decision that he asked readers to boycott businesses that pay bucks to help keep things running around here.

Those sort of things come back to haunt you.

It's happened before with another site owner.

You wanna talk smack about me or the board ... fine, but you're not gonna get your free publicity here if you do so.

Uh oh, all this negativity has upset my avatar!

Keep it civil, and in good fun, and it all will be OK.

Keep up the good work, Bob! I don't think people realize how lucky they are to have this site around as a resource.

If that's a live pic Parker, it looks like you have diaper duty on your hands

Man is is great just being "Uncle Bob"

You just give 'em back!

Exactly

And it is not your right to belong it is a privilege

I also wanted to say keep up the great work Bob. I know how difficult it is to maintain harmony on these forums. I haven't posted much lately but still frequent the site daily. Thanks!

I've said it before and I will say it again. Thanks Bob!!!

P.S. How do you run the board? Do you use your own servers or some online servers? Because if you own your own servers, I have an extra server lying around (Dual 2.4 gig Xeon Processors) that I might be able to put togeather and get running if you need more power.

I've been on this board for a long time and I think its unfortunate what happened to cfm. He brought a lot of good info to the board. I went back and read the topic that seemingly got him booted and I being an outsider of the whole topic didn't see the need for him to get the boot. Kinda looks like wsc took offense to not having the answers to his questions. There could of been some behind the scenes activity that aided in the decision.

It's your board you do what you like, but I think booting cfm is a bad move. He kept us up to date on the states wrong doings on a regular basis. No other member on this board has brought more to the table than he has. But then again no other member has brought more controversy either.(with plenty of help from aunty)


Kris

Bob,

First, thanks for providing this PP forum. I’ve learned from it and try to return in kind by informing the community with some of my knowledge.

PP Community,

It seems like most of us appreciate that this public access forum exists on Bob’s private website. A website’s value is in its content. When we share information on fish biology or ecology, how to fish, or where to fish when (just not too specific), we’re adding value to the site. When we debate issues like hatchery and wild fish, or CNR and WSR, we’re informing the community and still adding value to the site. But the moment anyone attacks people rather than arguing a position, they’re taking value away from the site. Clearly, it’s Bob’s prerogative to determine how much de-valuation is OK for his website. It’s one thing to be passionate about issues - which is likely what brings us here - but quite another to not keep our emotions in check when arguing positions with other BB members.

I’m sorry CFM got booted, and not just because he’s my friend. CFM brought a lot of value to this site. He’s passionate about fishing, informed about issues, and does his homework better than anyone I know. Of course we disagree on issues from time to time and argue our positions as well as we can, while maintaining respect for one another. That’s how it’s gotta’ be in real life, and that’s the only way it works out here in cyber-space too, over the long haul.

Bruce seems really knowledgeable. I don’t know that he participated in anything other than the WSR debate, but when he wasn’t attacking people, I think he was adding value to the topic. Too bad I won’t know what additional value he might have added.

It’s a public access forum, but we’re here as Bob’s guests. It shouldn’t be so hard to follow his rules. There have been complaints that in some cases it wasn’t CFM or Bruce who attacked first. I think that’s irrelevant. Most of the participants here are adults. It shouldn’t be so hard to ignore attacks (acknowledging them tends to be encouraging) and just move on to the salient issues in the various posts and respond to those.

Count me among those that appreciate this forum. It’s the only fishing site I visit regularly since the old flyfisherman one went gunnysack. If an “elitist” flyfisherman can find a home among all this downriggers/ sliding lead/ herring/ anchovy/ sandshrimp/ and gooey egg cure, I think most anyone can get along here if they choose to. You just have to choose to.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

I've been registered here as long as I have at gamefishin.com, and have enjoyed both sites. I agree that boards are privately owned and that the owners are sovereign (they can do as they please).

I also believe that taking pictures of somebody whose stuck and then posting at steelheader.net that you regret they didn't turn out, is as foul as one fisherman can be to another. It's just plain poor. Pathetic. Aunty M, in my opinion, is simply low class. No malice intended, she probably just doesn't know any better--it's probably just "how things are" in the world in which she lives. Hopefully those of you who know her in the real world can explain why you simply don't do that.

So that my bias is known, let me add that I'm now a moderator at Bruce's site so feel free to think what you want about how that influences my views.

Bob it's your board, but I respectfully disagree with how you've handled this one. I hope that I don't get banned for this post--I do enjoy posting here from time to time. If this does turn out to be my last post, take care all and I'll see you on the river!

Yeah thanks,

Sad to see CF go but, he should have had more tact.

Bruce, im not sad about that, he was a bad apple.

i dont know why people call you a fat cow, i met you in olympia and you didnt look like a cow, but , i didnt have my glasses on

Thanks boater, I've had enough.

Three times over the past few years, you've asked to be removed from the board on your own. This time, I'll show you the door

Wader ... Booting someone is never going to make 100% of the people happy. However, you go with your gut and from the emails I've gotten regarding his posts at GF after the banning speak for themselves as to what he had to bring to this board.

FJ ... Run out-of-state on a semi-dedicated server. Actually seems to be doing us well and it's easy for me to run w/o getting too techo-geeky

CFM brought some good things to the board. But there becomes a time that the bad's outweigh the good's. He was given plenty of warning regarding his argumentive style ... thus he and his friends have no one to blame but CFM himself.

PS .. I think it's also time to move on. Perhaps it's time to talk about fishin' again

Thank you FishGal. You and Bob are people of incredible patience.

This whole fiasco has been rediculious, and has clearly beta-tested the true character of some who have integrity, and a few nameless individuals who are no longer posters to this forum.

Name calling, childish behavoir, insults ...good grief! If a child acted this way they would have been paddled and sent to their room. Glad to see its about over.

Mike B